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Topic: Lookup desperately needed! Annie Gordon, mother of Maggie Birnie? (Read 666 times)
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MonicaLesl
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Wow, was the birth address that of the 1891 Census?!
Not sure about the Davidson name. Need to check censuses etc. Could be that Ann (McKay) Davidson was married before perhaps. Only son Gordon shows to parents Alexander Davidson and Ann Mckay, born 02 JUN 1864 Auchterless.
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MonicaLesl
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Their marriage shows on IGI:
ALEXANDER DAVIDSON and ANN MCKAY
Marriage: 26 DEC 1863 Auchterless, Aberdeen
Maybe a Gordon marriage first?
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MonicaLesl
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Going to have to work back further that this  1871 is not that helpful
Alexr Davidson 71, road lab. b. Anch, Rowshire (?spl)
Ann Davidson 47, b. Auchterless
Gordon Davidson 6, b. Auchterless
Address: 7 Farlan St, Gamrie
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MonicaLesl
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Struggling am I going back (think I'm just tired now  ).
This looks like Maggie in 1901:
George Milne 47, agr. lab. b. Gamrie
Mary Milne 47 b. Keith, Banffshire
Maggie Birnie 13, visitor b. MacDuff
Address: Dhee Strath, Aberdour, Aberdeenshire
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MonicaLesl
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Susan, still can't get my head round the Davidson issue, but how about this for a potential entry for mother Annie:
1871:
Ann Gordon, 17, domestic servant b. Auchterless aT Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire
1881:
Ann Gordon, 24, dairy maid, b. Auchterless at Methlick Aberdeenshire
1891:
Ann Gordon, 36, dairy maid, b. Auchterless at Easter Whitehill, Gamrie
1901:
Ann Gordon, 45, housekeeper b. Auchterless at Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire
And after all that, cannot see her in 1861 which is the entry we need to potentially connect her to her mother 
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sellio
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You are an absolute star!
I'm off to bed too! I'm tired too!
Its 17 mins past midnight!
Thankyou a million times for your help!
Think I've found Maggie ( called Margt) in the 1901 census visiting in Aberdour, Milne family,.... I am wondering if old Ann Davidson died at some point anf Margt had to fend for herself. Where is Annie Gordon in the 1881 census when Maggie was 3 years old?
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MonicaLesl
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Think you have missed the last post  Annie would have been off working as was often the case with illegitimate births sadly with the little ones taken care of by family often.
...look what I found...from 1861 with a little bit of mis transcription (what's new  ):
Elizabeth MacKay 76, crofter
Ann MacKay 37, daughter
Ann McLead 8, granddaughter... you would need to check original, likely I would say McKay
Alexander Willison 60, boarder
Alexander Davidson 56  boarder and maybe future husband of Ann McKay
Address: Ordley, Auchterless
I would say likely that Annie was also illegitimate and Gordon her reputed father's surname which she adopted in future years. Her birth is before official reg in 1855 and not seeing anything for it on IGI, may show on the SP OPR perhaps.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Off to bed after this post (school runs have started off for me again from today  ). Just a bit more on potential fathers for Maggie.
We have the two possibilities in Banff, one born in 1852 and the other in 1864. given the birth year we now have for Annie of c. 1853, I would say likely father for Maggie is the first, born in 1852.
Some census info for him:
1861, everyone born Gamrie except for Alexander:
Alexander Birnie 39, agr. lab. b. King Edward, Aberdeenshire
Elspet Birnie 37
Charles Birnie 9
Elspet Birnie 11 Mo
Jeane Wilson 12, servant
Address: Easter Melrose, Gamrie
1871:
Charles Bernie 75, Farmer Of 77 Acres Of Which 63 Are Arable Employing 2 Labourer, b. Rathven
Mary Bernie 39, daughter b. Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire
Eliza Kirkton 16, granddaughter b. Gamrie
Charles Birnie 19, grandson, farm servant, b. Gamrie
Jane Gray 14, servant b. MacDuff
Address: Easter Melrose-Muckle-Moss
1881:
Charles Birnie (horribly mis transcribed!), 27, farm servant at Mains Of Blackton, King Edward Aberdeenshire
1891:
Charles Birnie, 39, farm servant at Eden House Farm King Edward, Aberdeenshire
1901, and back home with mother and sister - everyone born Gamrie:
Elspet Birnie 75, farmer
Charles Birnie 46,
Elspet Birnie 40
Address: Easter Melrose, Gamrie
Going by the possible entries for Annie and Charles, both look to have remained unmarried it would seem.
Monica
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sellio
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Good morning! Good luck with the school run. I should really not be doing this now but I shall give myself an hour then must get off and do some work!
Your input last night is invaluable. Fantastic!
I found, this morning, that the marriage cerificate (very, very faint) shows Ann McKay as a widow. It gives Alexander's trade as Road Labourer and Ann is listed as Something beiginning with P (I think)'s daughter. Alexander's parents are listed as Donald Davidson (deceased) and Helen Davidson (deceased). That would give credence to the theory that Alexander was the older boarder (age 56) in 1861. Ann's age is given as 40 and Alexander as 60. I cannot read Ann's parents names. her father looks like Ing?ar??? McKay , occupation looks like P? ?? of the Sea. He is listed as deceased (maybe lost at sea?).
Ann's mother looks to be Elizabeth McKay. Her maiden name could possibly be Sandison. That may or may not be significant as William Gardiner (Maggie's husband) 's mother was Elisabeth Sandison.
Onward!
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sellio
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There is a Widow McKay listed in the 1841 census listed as a crofter, age 55 and living in Auchterless, born Aberdeenshire around 1786. I've put thatto one side for the moment as it may be relevant if I can get further back.
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sellio
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Widow McKay has a boarder called Elizabeth Landison. Perhaps that is Ann McKay's mother?
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sellio
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Ann McKay was born on 22nd December 1823. her father was Angus McKay and her mother is described as Elizabeth Gordon had a daughter Ann McKay. Auchterless, Aberdeen. This may be the origin of Gordon???
Must go and do some work!!
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sellio
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It looks like Ann McKay's mother, Elizabeth Gordon may have married a Landison before marrying a McKay.
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MonicaLesl
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Certainly shaping up Susan
Whenever you have a problem with the legibility of an image on SP, you can contact them on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24
If you explain the section you are having a problem reading, they will send you via email an enhanced email via email which most of the time will make a huge difference in terms of legibility. Helps to include the GROS ref in your email for the certificate you are having a problem with.
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MonicaLesl
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Just checked for any member trees on Ancestry. Can't see one for the McKays but there is one for the Birnies. The two Charles that we had born in Gamrie, b. 1852 and 1864, would appear to be cousins. A brief summary:
Charles Birnie 12 Jan 1796 - 6 Jan 1875 m. Elizabeth Manson c. 1797 - 10 Nov 1870
Two of their children:
Alexander Birnie 1821 - 6 Jan 1894 m. Elspeth Boswell 1824 - 1917
- Charles Birnie 1852 - 1920
Charles Birnie 1833 - 1906 m. Isabella Morrison
- Charles Birnie 1864 - ? m. Agnes Duncan
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