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Topic: Lookup desperately needed! Annie Gordon, mother of Maggie Birnie? (Read 602 times)
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MonicaLesl
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Last will & testament on SP for Alexander Birnie:
Birnie Alexander, 02/02/1894, Crofter, Hill of Easter Melrose, Parish of Gamrie, d. 06/01/1894 at Hill of Easter Melrose, testate @ Banff Sheriff Court SC2/40/53....9 pages
Not sure if there would be any mention of Maggie in this perhaps to help in linking Maggie to this Birnie family.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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sellio
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I have been playing around with Charles Birnie on and off all day. I think there can be 3 scenario:
1. Charles Birnie was already married to Isobella when Maggie was born in 1887. Perhaps, Charles may have had a genuine but futile relationship with Annie, or may have imposed himself upon her. Either way, the census after Maggie's birth finds Charles and the family lliving in Tarves in Aberdeenshire. Was there a scandal? Did he have to move away?
2. The other Charles Birnies: there were two living in the same household. The household employed a servant and both Maggie and Annie were domestic servants. Perhaps Maggie went to serve the Birnies. Did the elder Birnie who owned 77 acres of land and employed two men have his way with Maggie or
3. Was there perhaps a genuine relationship between Maggie and the younger Birnie? Was Maggie sent away as beneath Charles in social standing?
Its a puzzle.
I am not online after today until Saturday 12th September so I shall just have to keep puzzling till then
Take care, friends.
Sheila 
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sellio
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I have an enhanced marriage certificate for Ann McKay. It lists her as a Pensioner's daughter. Her father, Angus McKay is listed as a Chelsea Pensioner! (deceased). It also lists Ann McKay as a widow when she married Alexander Davidson.
The surname of Gordon for Maggie's mother may go back to Annie's own grandmother, Ann McKay(Davidson). Ann McKay's mother is listed as Elizabeth McKay, previously Sandison, maiden surname, Gordon. If Ann McKay was alo illegitimate she may have taken her mother's name of Gordon even though, by the time of her marriage she is Ann McKay. Her daughter, Annie Gordon may ALSO be illegitimate so carrying on the female surname.
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MonicaLesl
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Looks like you are making headway there 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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sellio
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Hi Monica,
I am working on Angus to see if he can unlock things. How can I trace him if he was a Chelsea pensioner?
Sheila
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MonicaLesl
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Military records, you could try the National Archives site:
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/power-search.asp?searchType=powersearch
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Just checked myself - nothing shows does it 
Just thought, have you worked back on the MacKay family to see if we have any entry for father Angus?
I found this entry for 1851 which looks a possibility for the family and maybe a clue as to what daughter Ann's first married surname could have been:
Elisabeth McRay (McKay I would imagen) 66, formerly farmer b. Olddrum, Aberdeenshire
Ann McCumbie 27, daughter b. Auchterless
Alexander McKay 23, son b. Auchterless
George Spence 42, boarder
Alexander Gunn 67, boarder
George McLeod 20, boarder
Donald McLeod 27, boarder
Address: Invertherny, Auchterless
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Elizabeth snr shows as born in Old Meldrum in 1851 ( transcribed as Olddrum  )
I wonder if this is her first marriage:
William Sandison and Elizabeth Gordon married on 30 DEC 1810 Old Meldrum, Aberdeen
Children showing to a couple with these names on IGI are:
1. CHRISTAN SANDISON Christening: 11 DEC 1810 Auchterless, Aberdeen
2. JANE SANDISON Christening: 26 APR 1815 Auchterless, Aberdeen
3. ELISABETH SANDISON Christening: 21 OCT 1820 Auchterless, Aberdeen
If we have the right first marriage for Elizabeth, then potential marriage for her and Angus MacKay between 1820 - 24 when Ann McKay was born perhaps.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Sheila, not sure if you have this:
ANGUS MCKAY and ELISABETH GORDON
Marriage: 12 MAY 1823 in Auchterless, Aberdeen
And the children to them:
1. ANNE MCKAY Christening: 22 DEC 1823 Auchterless, Aberdeen
2. ALEXANDER MACKAY Christening: 29 MAY 1827 Auchterless, Aberdeen
Any one of these marriage or christening entries on the Old Parish Registers may contain some info on Angus. Unfortunately, it is as alway a bit of a lucky dip, you don't know if there is anything more than a one line of info (pretty much as above) or something of more substance.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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sellio
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Brill! Ann was born 22nd December 1823. I bet that's a match. 
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MonicaLesl
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I think, given that possible married name for Ann from 1851, this might be her first marriage entry in the OPRs:
ANN MCKAY and JOHN MCCOMBIE
Marriage: 15 NOV 1845 Auchterless, Aberdeen
Monica
Added: Just one child shows for them on IGI:
JOHN MCCOMBIE Christening: 07 JUL 1846 Auchterless, Aberdeen
You could check the original image for Ann McKay's marital status in 1851 perhaps.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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sellio
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This is where it could get REALLY ODD!. William sandison and Elizabeth Gordon are my paternal g.g.grandparents. Their daughter, Elisabeth Sandison, b 1820, is my father's paternal grandmother. maggie Birnie's side we are looking at is his maternal side! 
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MonicaLesl
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Blimey Sheila  How is that for a co-incidence. Certainly on what we have found so far, your father's paternal and maternal sides do seem to be connected!
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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If you check on FreeCen (volunteer transcriptions and highly accurate), Ann McCombie (McKay) shows as a widow like her mother. http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ - just make sure you click on the correct census year at the top. It has very good coverage for Aberdeenshire for 1841 (100%) and 1851 (86%).
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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On the paternal side, did Elizabeth Sandison marry James Gardener? There is a tree on them on Ancestry
Just checked - can now see from the tree info how it all fits in with William Gardiner and Maggie - it feels like we have completed the circle 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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