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Topic: Birth in Bath 1821 (Read 670 times)
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woody32
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Hi,
The Eldest Child on the 1871 is Louisa Clayton b C1857 so presumably the marriage would be prior to that..according to the 1871 census Louisa was born in Woolwich Kent which was the Greenwich registration District.
Births Jun Qtr 1858
Louisa Clayton Greenwich 1d 525
So maybe this was the Marriage.
Marriages Jun Qtr 1855
Frederick Clayton Greenwich 1d 770
Margaret Lawrie
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suzard
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1871 they have margaret's mother living with them - margaret hanney widow 73 b Limerick Ireland
RG10 1067 108 43
Do you have this census??
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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woody32
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Well if you think it could be the possible marriage you could order the Marriage Certificate and it will show his Fathers name and they may be living together (possibly mother too) on an earlier census and from that you may be able to go further back.
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LANCASHIRE = Wood,Howard,,Smethurst,Foxall,Cheetham,Brookes,Grime, Horrocks,Thornley,Arstall,Shawcross,Rowland,Mclean LINCOLNSHIRE = Featherstone Johnson,Toyne,Willson,
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woody32
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Also on the 1871 it shows a Margaret hannah Clayton - Mother in law? could that be an enumerators error?
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LANCASHIRE = Wood,Howard,,Smethurst,Foxall,Cheetham,Brookes,Grime, Horrocks,Thornley,Arstall,Shawcross,Rowland,Mclean LINCOLNSHIRE = Featherstone Johnson,Toyne,Willson,
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Eyesee
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E D Clarke 1769-1822
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Looking at the image, she is down as Margaret Hanney. There is a Do after her name to ditto the surname from above, but looks quite clearly to me to have been crossed out.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Eyesee
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The mother in law in 1871 is Margaret HANNEY. The do (ditto) after her name is quite clearly crossed out on the image.
1851 census
59 Warwick St, Woolwich
John HANNEY, head mar 54, Carpenter, born Limerick Ireland
Margaret HANNEY, wife mar 44, born ditto
Margaret HANNEY, dau unm 19, Laundress, born ditto
Ellen HANNEY, dau 9, Scholar, born ditto
John HANNEY, son 7, Scholar, born ditto
HO107/1588/71/23
From FreeBMD
Marriage for a Margaret HANNAY, Jun qtr 1851, Greenwich, 5 319. One of the grooms is a Thomas LAWRY.
This would fit with the marriage that Woody32 found in 1855. Thomas has died, and she met and married Frederick as a widow. The marriage in 1855 or one of the births of the children would confirm her name. The 1855 marriage will name the fathers as well.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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trish1120
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Ian, can you find them in 1861 census? I am having no luck. Children Frederick/Kate/Louisa should be alive then.
Could they be out of country?
Margaret a second marrige for Frederick born 1821?
Cheers,
Trish
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Eyesee
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Can't find them either in 1861. Found the HANNEYs in 1851. Here on Tilly's post on the Somerset board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,404031.0.html
Margaret married Thomas LAWRY Jun qtr 1851. He has died more than likely and Margaret LAWRIE marries Frederick CLAYTON in Jun qtr 1855.
You are right, they should be in Cheshire, or perhaps moved back to Deptford.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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suzard
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Hi Tilly42 - just thought I'd confirm 1871 census
An*****y has transcribed her as Margaret hannah Clayton wife's mother
Image shows her as Margaret Hanney (ditto under Clayton crossed out) wife's mother W 72 Laundress b Limerick ireland
I can't find frederick in 1861 -
Have looked for the children in the areas of their birth -but none found in 1861
Suz
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suzard
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So this is a duplicate post - and we are chasing some information which has already been found
Maybe the mods could merge topic to save us repeating ourselves???
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Eyesee
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Possibly Thomas LAWRY in 1851 aged 19, Soldier, Gunner & driver in Royal Artillery at Woolwich Dockyard. Born Cornwall, Budock??
HO107/1588/398/28
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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