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can you help?????
« on: Saturday 05 September 09 20:29 UTC (UK) »
 Huh i am looking for info on fredrick holland born abt 1810 i have a marriage cert and he married a lady called selina clayton in 1853 in coalville leicetershire. his dads name was robert holland and thier trade was a chair bottomer i dont know fredricks mums name. but my family is very hard to find i dont know where to look next. with thanks
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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 September 09 20:36 UTC (UK) »
where does he give as a birthplace in census?

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 05 September 09 20:42 UTC (UK) »
Hi

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and he married a lady called selina clayton in 1853 in coalville leicetershire.

What date did they marry in 1853

This is the only freebmd entry for 1853 and it does not link to a Selina Clayton

Marriages September qtr 1853  
 
HOLLAND  Frederick    Leicester  7a 251

Ashby de la Zouch was the registration district for Coalville
 
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 05 September 09 20:50 UTC (UK) »
The only census entry for a Frederick & Selina Holland is 1871
Frederick 35 (1836) b London & Selina 28 (1843) b Kensington and maiden name Whiting
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 05 September 09 20:53 UTC (UK) »
As you have the marriage certificate and as Frederick was 43 when they married - was he shown as a bachelor or a widower

How old was Selina and what was her fathers name

Was she shown as a spinster or as a widow
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 September 09 20:57 UTC (UK) »
he was a bachelor and selina was a spinster she was 31 year old and her farthers name was brinkton  clayton
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 September 09 20:59 UTC (UK) »
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What date did they marry in 1853
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 05 September 09 21:01 UTC (UK) »
on the cert it says 1853
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 05 September 09 21:03 UTC (UK) »
It MUST give a day & month..
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 05 September 09 21:05 UTC (UK) »
the day and month is the 22nd march 1853
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 05 September 09 21:13 UTC (UK) »
Selina is ClayDON in freebmd (Mar qtr 1852, vol 7a , p 147)

& he's FredRick
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 05 September 09 21:14 UTC (UK) »
She was Selina CLAYDON according to the GRO index

The reason we need this info is to try and find them on the 1851 census to establish their respective birthplaces

We cannot find any other info on Frederick until we know where he was born

Have you reason to believe that Frederick & Selina were Gypsies (travellers)

What were the names, birthyears and birthplaces  of any of their children born before 1861 as there is no obvious census entry for this couple
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 05 September 09 21:16 UTC (UK) »
Deaths March qtr 1857     
Holland  Selina     Ashby de la Zouch  7a *

Births March qtr 1857 

Holland  Selina     Ashby de la Zouch  7a 102

The death is either the child or the mother
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 05 September 09 21:27 UTC (UK) »
in 1871 census there was a spelling mistake made on thier last name it is under wollam, i have just noticed that on the cert it is selina and on the census it is spelt celenea. thier childrens names are moses born ravenstone 1854/5, susannah 1862, fredrick 1864.
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 05 September 09 21:32 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: GYPSYROSELEE on Saturday 05 September 09 21:27 UTC (UK)
in 1871 census there was a spelling mistake made on thier last name it is under wollam, i have just noticed that on the cert it is selina and on the census it is spelt celenea. thier childrens names are moses born ravenstone 1854/5, susannah 1862, fredrick 1864.
on the marriage cert there is an x because they couldnt write thier name
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