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707nylon
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Janet Sharp
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My great grandmother Janet Sharp was born 5/5/1830 in Alloa. I have found her on the 1841 Scottish Census with members of her family. The head of household is John Sharp who I presume is her Father, but there is no sign of her Mother. The youngest Child is 4 so Mother may have died between 1837 and 1841.
I am new to Genealogy and do not know where to look for earlier information about the family. Can anybody, please advise me of the next step to take?
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Alvagirl
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Welcome 707pylon
A good place to start is the first forum on RootsChat, For Beginners http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,47.0.html.
Basically, start from what you know for sure and work backwards.
eg How do you know that she was "born 5 May 1830 in Alloa"? If she is in 1841 census how do you know that is her? Do you have her death certificate and/or marriage certificate to confirm this? If in Scotland, both should detail her parents' names, including maiden name of mother. For a newbie you have done well to start with an 1830 birth, but all needs confirmed. Do please work backwards.
I see your Janet SHARP from 1841 census on both FreeCen & ancestry as 11 yrs old in a household headed by a John SHARP (adult ages rounded down that year). In the 1851 Census on Ancestry there is a John SHARP b Clackmannan, Clackmannanshire, age 48 [so b ab 1803] with wife Elizabeth, and dau Janet also there, she is age 20 with what looks like twin Catherine. John is a 'Cooling overseer' which is probably a mis-transcription of 'Colliery overseer' - ie he worked mining coal. He may have gone to Forfar, Angus if in 1861 census he is coal merchant with 2nd wife Elizabeth and younger children; couldn't find him quickly in 1871 in Scotland so that might give you window to find his death.
Coal mining was a big industry in Clackmannanshire at that time. I have looked at copy of pre-1855 MIs in Clackmannanshire and altho I couldn't find John SHARP, SHARP as a surname is the 2nd most frequent burial in Clackmannan Churchyard. One entry interested me, a chap PATERSON who is buried with wife Ann SHARP, and he is 'late underground manage, Alloa coal company'
My hunch is that you could have an interesting family with potentially lots of local names in "The Wee County" (as Clackmannanshire is known, circumference about 44 miles - yep, long name for a wee county so nowadays we just type Clacks).
And my apols if I bang on about Clacks, but just spent today taking advantage of 'Doors Open Day' and been mooching around closed mausoleum & old graveyard.
If you can firm up on her death & marriage, then I can check MIs.
Also, watch placenames. Currently the local authority area is Clackmannanshire, the main town is Alloa, but historically it was the Clackmannan the main town. In 1891 it became the County of Clackmannan(shire) and the four Parishes were Alloa, Clackmannan, Tillicoultry & Dollar (plus odds & sods).
For more detail on Clacks, google genuki.
Free & subscription sites can be great, but ye cannae whack the originals held in national archives in Edinburgh. Some of these also available online pay-per-view at ScotlandsPeopleCentre - just don't let your credits run away with you!
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Aberdeenshire: GARDEN, BEATTIE, DUNN, DAVIDSON, BRAIK, JAFFRAY; JAMIESON, THOM, HAY, SCOTT
Morayshire: MACKAY, MURRAY, KENNEDY, ROSS, SMITH, MILNE; MORRISON, STEWART, PENNY, DEAN, McCONNACHIE
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707nylon
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Hi Diddy
Thank you for your very helpful information. Now that I have Margaret Hunter and the links you gave me I feel I can go further. Thanks for the offer of further help.
Hi Alvagirl
I have entries in the Family bible presumably written by Janet, giving her date of birth and the date she married William Roberts i.e.7/8/1830. Also there is a list of her children which includes my grandmother. The bible does not indicate where they were married but the family were all born in Liverpool. Also her twin sister is mentioned in other documents i have and she also spent her adult life in Liverpool.
I shall try to find John now in 1851 census.
Thanks for all the information. I hope to contact you again in the future.
707nylon
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707nylon
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Hi Alvagirl
I realise I put the wrong date of Janet's marriage. I should be 7/8/1855.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi,
As you thought, the marriage of William Roberts and Janet Sharp shows in Liverpool:
Marriages 3rd Qrt 1855
Roberts William in Liverpool Vol. 8b Pg.57 - also included on the page is Janet Sharp
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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With Alvagirl's comment on whether John Sharp moved to Forfar with family and being hard to find in the 1871 census, this looks a possible last will & testament entry for him on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Sharp John, 21/08/1867, Coal Merchant in Forfar, Forfar Sheriff Court SC47/40/34
If you can confirm it is the right John, you can purchase the will (15 pages) on the above link - £5GB.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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707nylon
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Hi Monica
I'm slightly overwhelmed with all the information and help I have received so far, but thank you for your contribution. I haven't had time to check and add the details to my records on Ancestry yet (I'm a bit slow finding my way round) Thanks for the info about the will.
707nylon
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Alvagirl
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Hi 707pylon
Not wanting to overwhelm you more, it is a lot to take in and you will be busy collecting your thoughts & facts.
But . . . just to say that . . . yep I said in pre-1855 MIs of Clacks that SHARP was the 2nd most common name - guess what the most common name for burials there was? , yep, HUNTER. None matching yours unfortunately, but you might have a peek later.
Monica or t'other right to send you to scotlandspeople for testament - it is a standard rate of £5 GDP regardless of number of pages, so 15 pages suggests lots of info and should be well be worth it.
Good luck, and happy hunting, just take your own time (well, they ain't going anywhere).
Alvagirl
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Aberdeenshire: GARDEN, BEATTIE, DUNN, DAVIDSON, BRAIK, JAFFRAY; JAMIESON, THOM, HAY, SCOTT
Morayshire: MACKAY, MURRAY, KENNEDY, ROSS, SMITH, MILNE; MORRISON, STEWART, PENNY, DEAN, McCONNACHIE
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707nylon
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Further to the help I received from you all, I now have John Sharp's date of birth and and the names of his parents. I also have details of his marriage to Margaret Hunter.
Neither the marriage record or Margaret's death record give her age. Looking for a record of her birth, and hazarding a guess at her age gives me a few possibilities. Is there any way to be sure which is the right Margaret?
I hope you can help again.
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MonicaLesl
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That's great that you are making progress One thing to look at if you haven't already are the names of John Sharp and Margaret Hunter's children in order from the marriage (if you have these). Sometimes you can get clues to grandparents' names if Scottish naming pattern was used. You already have John's parents' names which will help.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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707nylon
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Hi again
I'm now trying to get some information on Janet Sharp's twin sister Catherine
Janet and Catherine last appear together on the 1851 census with the family. !n 1861 I have found a match for Catherine living as a servant in Edinburgh,but nothing after that, till she appears in Liverpool in 1881 and 1891 married to David Bayne.
I can't find any record of her marriage in either Scotland or Liverpool, nor can I find her on a census in 1871.
Can anyone help fill the gaps?
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MonicaLesl
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One possible entry for marriage showing on FreeBmd
Marriages 4th qrt 1874
David Bayne - W. Derby Pg. 8b Vol. 875 - two possible bride names: Catherine Sharp and Martha Parr
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Catherine looks to be with her sister Janet for 1871 Badly transcribed but this looks like the entry:
Janet Roberts 40
Mary Roberts 13
Ann Roberts 8
Fredk F Roberts 5
Cath C Roberts 3
Cathe Sharts 40, sister, b. ??Ckm??Man, Scotland
RG10; Piece: 3822; Folio: 62; Page: 18
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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