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JackieQLD-au
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Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« on: Sunday 06 September 09 20:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi All,

I'm looking for the marriage between John William HOOPER and Ann SULLIVAN.
All I have to go on is his death certificate.
I'm also looking for the birth of their son. On the death cert. it says he was the informant, John HOOPER but he is recorded in other documents also as John William HOOPER.

I'm trying to put the death cert. here so people can look at it but it doesn't seem to want to work.

I've been searching for years on and off and am wondering if I'm actually seeing things and calculating things wrong.

I even considered Ann was in fact Annie as is recorded for her death or even Anne....maybe Hannah etc...
Then I thought maybe she was an O'Sullivan.

Anyway, if anyone can help, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Jackie


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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 September 09 21:38 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jackie

You don't say when John William died or his age at death to give us some idea when to look for the date of the marriage.

Do you have any idea about the age of John the son at the time of death?

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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 September 09 21:39 UTC (UK) »

Can you specify the years involved?

Death Cert dated .... and District named ?

DoB & PoB of the son John ?

Do you have them on a census ?


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JackieQLD-au
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #3 on: Monday 07 September 09 07:35 UTC (UK) »

oops....I was trying to attach the death cert. in 2 parts as that would have had all the information. Silly me forgot to type the information in when it wouldn't work.

Name: John William HOOPER
Age: 61 years
died: 24 July 1897 Clifton Hill, Victoria, Australia
Occ: Brass Founder
Father: John HOOPER (occ. Coach Plater)
Mother: Unknown (suspect Elizabeth COPP)
Informant: John Hooper (son)

Where born: London, England
How long in Colony: 32 years, Victoria
Married: London, England to Ann SULLIVAN
Age at mar. 22 years
Issue: John 38 years.


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Meliora
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 September 09 08:23 UTC (UK) »

Hello, Jackie,

Have found this possible 1861 census entry.

RG9/353 folio 11 page 26
20, Temple St. Lambeth

John Hooper head age 23 Brass Founder b Lambeth
Ann wife age 22 b ditto
John son age 3 b ditto.

Index is misleading, it states born Lambeth Buckinghamshire, the transcriber has taken Bucks from the presceding household entry.

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Meliora
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #5 on: Monday 07 September 09 08:30 UTC (UK) »

and here is the 1851 census

HO107/1570 folio 250 page 29
30 Agnes St Lambeth

JOhn Hooper head age 35 Plater b Bloomsbury
Elizabeth wife age 38 b ditto
John son age 13 Errand boy b Lambeth
William son age 11 b ditto
Elizabeth dau age 9 b ditto
James son age 4 b ditto

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Meliora
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #6 on: Monday 07 September 09 13:58 UTC (UK) »

More info on the children in the 1851 census, Lambeth, parents John & Elizabeth Hooper.

GRO birth entries
John William Hooper
June ¼ 183 Lambeth 4 311
William Hooper
Mar ¼ 1840 Lambeth 4 510
Elizabeth Hooper
Mar ¼ 1842 Lambeth 4 309
James Hooper
Mar ¼ 1847 Lambeth 4 334

Marriage
John William Hooper = Elizabeth COOP
Dec ¼ 1837 Lambeth 4 330

Still have not found a marriage for John William Hooper to an Ann Sullivan, looking for Ann or Mary Ann Sullivan

1841 census
HO107/685 book 3 folio 24 page 42
Ulster Court St Pancras

John Hooper age 25 Plater born in county Yes
Elizabeth age 25 b ditto
John age 3 born in county No
William age 1 b ditto

Possible baptism
John Hooper
18th Jan 1816 Lying In Hospital Endell St Holborn
father William mother Bridge

Hope this is all of some use & you can piece it altogether for your Hooper
family.

Meliora


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JackieQLD-au
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #7 on: Monday 07 September 09 19:59 UTC (UK) »

Meloria,

I believe the census records you found is them.

I've actually been in contact with descendants of siblings IF Elizabeth COOP is the correct parent.

They say their John HOOPER disappeared as they had no idea if he went to Australia or not until my contact with them.

It just seems to all link up. So, the question is......
Where did John and Ann marry? Did they actually marry?


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JackieQLD-au
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #8 on: Monday 07 September 09 21:12 UTC (UK) »

New info just come to light.....

A friend found the following on FMP:

John James HOOPER m. Aan SULLIVAN Newington
March 1859 1D 275

However, if you look at John HOOPER's reference, it says:
1D 274

I've looked at freeBMD and found:
Mar 1859 1D 274
James Eaton
James Lee
Harriet Miles
Thomas Oakley
Ann Sullivan

That's 5 people....who was the 6th?

I also looked at all of 1859 for 1D 275 and can't find either John Hooper or Ann Sullivan

I have a photo of a huge monument at cem. in Aust. and it's definitely John William HOOPER.

Mis transcribed I believe....but is there another way of tracking it down?


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JackieQLD-au
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #9 on: Monday 07 September 09 21:15 UTC (UK) »

oops...I meant if you look at reference 1D 274

Then look at 1D 275

strange.


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dawnsh
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #10 on: Monday 07 September 09 21:32 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jackie

I've looked at the image of the index entry and John James Hooper is there, mar 1/4 1859 Newington 1d 245

Thomas Oakley belongs on page 279, not 274

After 1837 there should be 2 pairs of names per page

Dawn


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JackieQLD-au
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 08 September 09 05:41 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Dawn,

That eliminates my John HOOPER then.

Jackie


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Meliora
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 08 September 09 08:37 UTC (UK) »

Thanks, Dawn,

Confirmed my findings, I had looked at both FMP & Ancestry for this. Just for the record the names on the 1d 275 entry are.

Sophia Kezia
Jane James Hooper
John James Hooper
Richard Smith
Kate Thew.

The entry is clearly John not Jane, ?mistranscribed.

So this leaves a bit of a quandary, there is a marriage for a John William Hooper in 1861 Newington.

Mar ¼ 1861 Newington 1d 155
Charles John Bennett
Sarah Ann Burnham
Ann Fraser
John William Hooper

Dawn, could we ask a great favour ? I know you are very busy with the lookups you do at the LMA for RC folk, could you put this probelm on your list for a future looksee. ? A sight of the film images for both John James Hooper 1d 275 & Ann Sullivan 1d 274 & the 1d 155 John William Hooper would at least confirm their occupations & their father's names & occupations. This might give us some clues one way or another.
I can't see any other answer to this problem without sight of the certs.
With many thanks.

Meliora


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JackieQLD-au
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 08 September 09 12:01 UTC (UK) »

Thank you for helping with this.

It's really frustrating trying to track records in England when I'm so far away....it doesn't help that it's totally different to finding bdm's in Australia.

It's really frustrating when the blighters are difficult to find.

I really appreciate the help you are giving me.

Jackie


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dawnsh
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Re: Marriage and birth - HOOPER
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 08 September 09 22:06 UTC (UK) »

Newington is the registration district and consists of more than one church (St Mary, St Matthew, Holy Trinity and All Souls) plus the register office.

The LMA doesn't appear to have indexes to any of these and you don't have a date so it'll be a bit of a job. (freebmd has 324 names for Mar 1/4 1861 at Newington, that's at least 162 to go through)

I'll add it to my list but it'll be w/c 21st September, my look-up list for w/c 14th is already full.

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