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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 21 September 09 14:51 UTC (UK) »

 Sad

Hi there again, I have just found out the records office has moved to Army Peronnel Centre(APC) Glasgow from 1997, and there you will have to prove kinship.

Cheers Roger.
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 01 October 09 10:50 UTC (UK) »

I have the date 5th June 1901 but I'm not sure if that was the date of the conviction or the offense.

This was the date he was discharged from the army, so the offence and sentence happened before this date. If you look at the page with details of his service there is a column with years and days. It may show when he was confined awaiting trial. The army would not pay him if he was not available.

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 05 October 09 13:30 UTC (UK) »

Cheesy
Some more info for you from the 1901 census,

Dan Frith, Driver, aged 22, from Lutterworth, Leicestershire, in the 26th Battery RFA, in the Stanhope and Wellington lines, Aldershot.

This is weird!  There are TWO Daniel FRITHs recorded in 1901  - one aged 22 and the other 27 - both Drivers with Royal Fd Arty at Aldershot!  Both are shown married:  the younger in Barracks and born 'Lutworth' and the elder born Birmingham with a wife Alice boarding in Aldershot!

The 1911 Index only has the elder - Daniel Thomas FRITH - aged 37 born Lutterworth living in Camberwell District with a wife Mary Alice!

FreeBMD has a marriage 1Q 1901 between Daniel Thomas FRITH and Mary Alice ISHERWOOD Farnham 2a 162.
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BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #18 on: Monday 05 October 09 15:55 UTC (UK) »

In view of this discovery, I wonder whether he was convicted of a capital offence and executed? Or hopefully, he just left the country after a scandal.
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #19 on: Monday 05 October 09 16:57 UTC (UK) »

Nothing as drastic as that.
Just a case of being recorded twice in the census. His family was living in Birmingham, so I think his wife may have thought he was born there. He was born in Lutterworth in1882. His mother Georgina was the next of kin when he joined the army. and we know his wife was Mary Alice.
I am now waiting for the postman to bring me a copy of his army records. hopefully there may be something helpful in that. Still trying to find newspaper articles.
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 05 October 09 17:12 UTC (UK) »

Pleased about that Muttly, as I found out to my horror a few years ago.Hopefully the army records will have sufficient information. As he was in barracks on census night I wonder if he was on remand waiting to be passed forward to the Civilian authorities, might get a clue from the original census document.
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #21 on: Monday 05 October 09 18:21 UTC (UK) »

So he was a mere lad of 18 at marriage and when he was discharged.  It says a lot for his wife that she stuck by him and they were still together in 1911.  A lot of marriages fail for a lot less these days!
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BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #22 on: Monday 05 October 09 21:07 UTC (UK) »

I don't know if she was aware of his correct age. When they married 3 weeks earlier he said he was 27! She was 24, but it seems like a huge age difference to invent.
They stayed together,and had 4 children.
She was actually from Yorkshire so maybe it was a case of it being too far to go home.
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #23 on: Monday 05 October 09 22:01 UTC (UK) »

 Cheesy

Well us Yorkies stick like glue.

Cheers Roger.
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 06 October 09 16:10 UTC (UK) »

Very true, from an adopted Tyke now in exile.
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 06 October 09 20:56 UTC (UK) »

What is your definition of Tyke?
My family always thought we were real "cockneys" until I discovered that all my maternal side comes from  "North of Watford'!   In fact most came from between  Leeds and the lake district. So i';m not sure now what we are!
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 06 October 09 21:27 UTC (UK) »

1. an unpleasant or coarse man.  2. a mongrel.  3. a small child.  4. Brit. slang a Yorkshireman.  [From Old Norse tik 'pregnant dog'].  Source: Oxford Compact Dictionary.

I've only heard it down south in context of a small child!

Update:
That 'pregnant dog' has been automatically substituted online by the powers-that-be for the original b i t c h!
 Roll Eyes <shrieks with laughter!>
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BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 06 October 09 21:45 UTC (UK) »

 Cheesy
Hi there Muttly,

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr not sure myself, but I am one. Now back to the question in hand have you tried Hampshire County Archives to see if they are holding any army records.

Cheers Roger, the yorkshire terrier.
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 06 October 09 21:56 UTC (UK) »

 Angry

Now I've seen all the definitions of Tyke, I don't like them I'll stick with it bieng a Yorkshireman and stuff em.

Sitherere thats tellin em.

Cheers Roger.
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 07 October 09 17:05 UTC (UK) »

Tha's reet on Lad!! By the way, I was born in Cambridge, brought up in Boston from three months old, and lived in Doncaster 42 years. What does that make me?
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