AlfD
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I am trying to get a picture of the Tidy and Ramsay families and their convergence.
I am doing this for a close friend who seems to be virtually the end of this particular line.
Henry Letheby Tidy (1878 to 1960) was her maternal grandfather. He was a medical man with a military career (RAMC) rising to the rank of Major General (honorary, I think). He married Elizabeth Ramsay (b 1879) in 1906 in London and seems to have spent his life there.
Elizabeth Ramsay was the daughter of Nobel prize-winner Sir William Ramsay (1852 to 1916) who discovered helium, neon and other rare gases.
Thus a prominent medical family (Tidy's father Charles Meymott Tidy was a pioneering medical man, too) met a prominent scientific family (Ramsay was the son of a chemist and the nephew of a geologist (Sir Andrew Ramsay).
Tidy's daughter (one of 4 children) Penelope Violet was my friend's mother.
Her father was George Wetherby Green who also took the surname Armour.
At this point: mainly questions.
Can anyone place George Wetherby Green?
Is there any link to be found with H L Tidy's other children (William, Douglas Ramsay (b 1907), John D R (b 1912))?
To be honest, I'd be glad of anything which would help me to fill in the details.
It seems incredible that a union such as the Tidys and the Ramsays should peter out so swiftly. I hope it isn't doing so.
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Ruskie
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Welcome to rootschat AlfD.
Do you have a birth date for Penelope Violet Tidy?
Do you have a marriage certificate for Penelope and George Wetherby Green?
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Ruskie
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Although a distinctive name a (very) quick initial look on FreeBMD doesn't find a birth or marriage for Penelope. 
Another question or two -:
Do you have the Tidy family through the censuses?
It would be useful to know what your friend already has for this family to save going over old ground - in particular does your friend have bmd certificates and censuses?
I imagine that the family must be fairly well documented but has your friend done their own research into the family?
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MaureenR
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Regarding George Wetherby Green- I think his name was actually George Webster GREEN.
Mr G.W.G. Armour and Miss Tidy
The Times, Thursday, Aug 31, 1939; pg. 11
The engagement is announced between George Webster Green Armour,elder son of the late Rev. H.W. Green and of Mrs. Green.of the Hobbergate,Sandbach,and adopted son of Mr. T.R.W. Armour and the late Mrs. Armour,of 42,Rodney Street,Liverpool.and Violet Margaret Penelope Tidy,only daughter of Dr and Mrs. Henry Letheby Tidy,of 11,Mansfield Street,London,W.1.
Going by the 1911,it looks like his father was Herbert Webster GREEN and mother Florence Ellen WEBB.
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Ruskie
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That's a really good find Maureen!
No wonder I couldn't find their marriage - her name is Violet, not Penelope.  And it explains George's two surnames. 
So it looks like the Armours took on George after his parents died.
I would still like Alf to tell us in more detail what information his friend already has on these families, and what he still needs to find out.
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Ruskie
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Marriage Sept 1902
Herbert Webster Green
Florence Helen Webb
Bucklow
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MaureenR
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Right-I won't do anymore digging until we hear back.
Just before I forget,though:
Theodore Robert William Armour-orthopaedic surgeon. (seems to have been the "adoptive" father.)
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AlfD
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Wow!
I can add info but I didn't want to be over-effusive on my first-ever post!
Henry Letheby Tidy is on BMD for St Marylebone : Mar 1878.
He is also on the 1881 and 1891 censuses - still in Marylebone at 3 Mandevill(e) Place and living with his widowed father by 1891.
Father (Charles Meymott Tidy 1840-1892) died the next year.
I don't know what happened next until I have a record of his marriage (St Marylebone district 1a 1348) to Elizabeth Ramsay (b 1879).
The phone book seems to show him in 1954 - Campden Hill Ct W8,( I think).
His army service medals were probably sent to him at 39 Devonshire place possibly around 1923 (British Army WWI Medal RollsIndex Cards).
My friend recalls he died about 1960 but I have no sources or documentation.
In fact as yet I have no documentation (certificates etc).
A fruitful find was a Dutch website for medal enthusiasts. Here I found (in English!) a long citation of his honours and some biography. Even a colour picture of his medals etc. The record on the website is dated 2008 ( www.onderscheidingenforum.nl).
But you will see there are big gaps. I have other references to his medical work which was extensive.
Now to the Green/Armour strand.
I had nothing other than my friend's recollection, which I plan to probe further, about GWG Armour.
This accords pretty well with the gist of your finds but the concept of formal adoption has not been mentioned. The Liverpool connection is right. And so far as can tell, GWGA was a founer of the insurance brokers Griffith and Armour - now a large concern in the finance field.
The orthopaedic surgeon Theodore Armour is reputed to have treated George Green for club foot.
I'll stop for the moment, but I do have information on the Ramsay line too.
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MaureenR
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Obituary in The Times, 4 June 1960 pg. 8
Sir Henry Tidy A Notable Physician
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AlfD
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Thanks, MaureenR!
He was an impressive person.
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AlfD
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I've just received some info from someone outside this board about his researches of the Meymott line in particular. It runs to about 35 A4 pages of 10 generations and I'm still reeling....
So: best save your best endeavours for the moment.
I'm seeking his permission to share the document. I don't know the protocol, but if (as I imagine he will) he says yes, how do I get the doc to anyone who wants it? Does the private messaging service do such things? Would you be interested anyway? I hope so, because there is more to be found!
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AlfD
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Hi!
I have the permission of my benefactor (I use that word sincerely) to share his information with any interested parties. So if anyone is interested, let me know.
It is strong on Meymott and to some extent on Tidy: less so on Ramsay.
I'll maybe try now to isolate any gaps or nodes that interest me and see where that leads.
AlfD
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Ruskie
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That is all great news Alf. Don't hesitate t ask if you need any gaps filled in. Good luck in the search. Anyone researching the same line who happens to google those names will probably find this thread and make contact with you. So all good news.
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It's a shame Alf didn't pop back before signing off - we could have done a bit more digging. Looks like an interesting family.