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Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« on: Wednesday 09 September 09 10:00 UTC (UK) »

My partner's great-great-grandmother was Harriet Turley. She was born about 1826 in the Ludow area in Shropshire. She married William Oakley on 26 April 1847 in Broseley, Shropshire. Harriet is thought to have been a Romany gypsy fruit picker from Leintwardine on the Herefordshire/Shropshire border. We would love to find more about Harriet and her parents and brothers/sisters.
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Re: Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 September 09 10:22 UTC (UK) »

What does the 1847 marriage give as father  and what names witnessed?

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Re: Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 September 09 12:27 UTC (UK) »

We don't actually have the marriage certificate.

Although the family story goes that Harriet was a Romany fruit picker from Leintwardine, William Turley and Jane had the following children in Broseley:

- Thomas Turley bap.21 Jan 1827 at St Leonards
- Friend Turley bap.30 Mar 1828 at St Leonards

So William and Jane could also have been Harriet's parents. Harriet could possibly have been picking fruit in Leintwardine when her future husband William Oakley met her, and the story has become different along the way.
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Re: Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 September 09 12:48 UTC (UK) »

On the IGI, Harriet Turley was born in 1826 in Leintwardine and was a miller at the time of her marriage in 1847. Her husband William was a teacher at that time.

In 1871 at Bottom Coal, Broseley lived:
- William OAKLEY, Head, 45, b.Much Wenlock, Carter
- Harriet Oakley, 45 (therefore b.1826), wife, b.Leintwardine, Herefordshire
- George OAKLEY, son, 20, S, b.Barrow, horse driver
- William OAKLEY, son, 18, S, b.Broseley, horse driver
- Edwin OAKLEY, son, 16, b.Broseley, horse driver
- Frederick OAKLEY, son, 14, b.Broseley, scholar
- Harriet OAKLEY, dau, 10, b.Broseley, scholar
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Re: Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 September 09 13:09 UTC (UK) »

1861: RG9/1859/105/4. Broseley,Bottom Coal?

William Oakley  35 Haulier
Harriet Oakley    35
Mary Oakley    12
George Oakley    11 Horse Driver
William Oakley    8
Edwin Oakley    6
Fredrick Oakley    3
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Re: Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 September 09 13:15 UTC (UK) »

1851: HO107/1989/515/13 Willey, Shropshire

William Oakley  25 B leighton SCHOOLMASTER
Harriot Oakley    25 b leintwardine
Mary Oakley    2y Dau
George Oakley 6m Son

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Re: Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 September 09 13:24 UTC (UK) »

It's a submitted record, and you could contact the person to find out what else they know. A Miller as occupation seems a bit 'settled' to be a traveller. Witnesses could be family members...

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/PRF/individual_record.asp?recid=780794418&lds=2&region=-1&regionfriendly=&frompage=99.

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Re: Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 September 09 13:34 UTC (UK) »

I can see a Turley Brood in 1841 HO107/928/Bk20/5/5

Willey, shrops. All b IN county

William Turley     40 House Joiner
Jane Turley    40 Laundress
James Turley    16 House Joiner
Thomas Turley    14
John Turley    11
Mary Turley    9
Alfred Turley    7
Friend Turley    6
Stephen Turley    3 y

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_igi.asp?batch_number=C011555&region=2&batch_search=true

There's a Harriot Turley nearby, aged 10 on the page, servant to the Griffiths.

HO107/ 928/bk5/F5/P2
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Re: Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 09 September 09 14:36 UTC (UK) »

It looks like Harriet Turley was related to the Turley family of Willey, Shropshire, but probably wasn't one of William and Jane's children because Harriet was born at Leintwardine in Herefordshire. But who was the Harriet Turley you found in 1841 aged 10 working nearby as a servant to the Griffiths family? She should have been 15 in 1841 not 10.
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Re: Harriet Turley in Shropshire
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 17 September 09 07:53 UTC (UK) »

I received Harriet Turley's marriage certificate on which it said she was a miller at the time (1847). Harriet's father was just shown as Turley. He was also a miller. So the Turley's sound a fairly settled family of millers - not a particularly Romany gypsy-like occupation. I wonder if the family story that Harriet was a Romany gypsy became transmuted and the truth is that she came from a family descended from gypsy stock a few generations back.
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