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Abiam
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I am getting in such a muddle with the parishes of Cheshire! and some of the Cooke family!
George Cooke born 1859/1861
1891 RG12 2850 59 13
Born Odd Rode Cheshire (with Wife Mary) age 32
1881 RG11 3542 133 40
Born Hall Green Cheshire (Lodger) Age 22
1871 RG10 3708 106 43
Born Coppenhall Cheshire (parents John and Jane) Age 10
1861 RG09 2615 71 16
Born Church Coppenhall Cheshire (parents John and Ann) Age 0
There are several deaths for an Ann Cooke the most likely is Dec 1861 as there is a birth for a George Cooke Mar 1861. And a marriage for George Cooke to Ann Jane Shaw Jun 1864.
For the 1871 census maybe she used Jane as her Christian name because of the previous wife? But then I notice that Jane has a 2 year old son.
Have I followed the right one? Can anyone help me with this family and Cheshire geography, please?
Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
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Abiam
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Have just checked Ancestry against FMP and they have the child as John Shamoon aged 9. The age would make better sense (on Anc.) but the name Thompkinson,(on FMP) seems better.
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Manchester Rambler
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I don't think you can be sure that the George COOKE with his parents in 1861/71 is the same person as George R COOKE, husband of Mary E. There are at least 2 births for a George COOKE born c1860 in Nantwich registration district (which covers Coppenhall), and none in Congleton (which covers Odd Rode). A George COOKE b. Coppenhall also shows up on the later censuses, as well as one living in Coppenhall who gives his birthplace as Crewe.
Just to help matters, there is no birth for a George R COOKE anywhere in Cheshire at the correct time!
There are extracted christening records on IGI for George and Mary's children, which confirm their full names as George Richard and Mary Eliza, so I presume this is their marriage:
Marriages Sep 1880
COOKE George Richard
HODGKINSON Mary Eliza
Wolstanton 6b 132
The marriage cert would give you George's father's name (unless he was illegitimate), and help trace him back with more certainty.
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Manchester Rambler
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Marriages Mar 1870
COOKE John
TOMKINSON Jane
Nantwich 8a 370
Marriage at Coppenhall (Crewe), St Michael according to Cheshire BMD.
John TOMKINSON is listed as stepson, aged 12 on the 1881 census.
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Abiam
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Thanks Rambler,
I have the marriage to Mary Eliza Hodgkinson and as you say I cannot be sure which is the correct George. On the 1891 his birth place is Odd Rode so I think this is the one to follow with a marriage cert. At least I now know the difference between Congleton and Nantwich!
But where is 10 year old George in 1871 with Parents John and Ann?
Your help is much appreciated,
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Manchester Rambler
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I presume John's first wife Ann died, and he then married Jane TOMKINSON, as the other details match - as you say, there is a possible death for an Ann COOKE in 1861, and then a gap in the children's ages until the remarriage and birth of daughter Elizabeth.
The oldest son Thomas from 1861 is a servant in 1871, while William and George are with their father and stepmother.
This might turn out to be the correct family - you never know! - but the marriage cert is the best way to confirm it.
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Abiam
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Thanks Rambler!
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Abiam
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I now have the marriage cert for George Richard Cooke and Mary Eliza Hodgkinson. George has the middle name Richard, is 21 and employed as a pointsman and Mary Eliza is 20. They married in 1880 in the parish of Kidsgrove, Staffordshire and George's father is another George and is deceased. the witnesses are Thomas Hodgkinson and Hannah Cotton.
And there the trail seems to end. But now I wonder if George junior may have been born at Odd Rode, Cheshire but registered in Wolstanton, Staffordshire as according to google they are only 2 and a 1/2 miles apart. And there is a George Cooke reg. Dec 1/4 1859 in Wolstanton Staffs.
Now going to hunt him in the '61 and '71 census in Kidsgrove, Wolstanton!
Any thoughts appreciated,
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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