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lucytuck
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My great grandfather, John Tucker, was born about 1870 in Longford, Ireland. He married for a second time on June 19, 1892 at Saint Patrick's Pro-Cathedral Catholic Church in Newark, New Jersey, U.S.A. - he was 22 years old so he emigrated before that). His first marriage may have been in Ireland. His father was Andrew Tucker and his mother was Ann Casey. I would like any information on John and/or his parents. Thanks for your help. 
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shanew147
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I dont see any Tucker births in Co. Longford, around 1870, but there ae a few in other places - e.g. Limerick, Tipperary & Mayo. One of the Mayo records is in the Claremorris district, which would be the closest record that I can see to Co. Longford at about 50km.
Full civil registration started in 1864 and you can search the index at this familysearch site : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347
If you find a promising match you can order a cert from the GRO using index details from the index. www.groireland.ie
Details they require are - name, registration district, year/quarter, volume & page (the other details are internal LDS/familysearch references and are not required by the GRO)
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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aghadowey
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1900 U.S. Census gives lots of details including month and year of birth, how long married, when arrived in U.S.
There's a John Tucker in Newark, N.J.: born June 1869 Ireland, to U.S. 1890 but he's married c1897 to Catherine and his mother Mary is also listed in household (she arrived later).
There's a John Tucker in Brooklyn, N.Y.: born Apr.1871 Ireland, to U.S. 1885, m.c1892 Elizabeth.
Are either of these your John Tucker? if not, could you give us more details like wife's name, names and ages of children, etc. so we can try to trace him back to Ireland.
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lucytuck
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Thank You. His father was Andrew Tucker and his mother was Ann Casey (in Ireland). His second wife in America was Elizabeth Callahan and they married in Newark New Jersey at St. Peter's Pro-Cathedral Catholic Church on June 19, 1892. They had 4 children before he left her. My grandfather, George Tucker was the youngest (born in 1900).
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lucytuck
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I think this is my John Tucker
There's a John Tucker in Brooklyn, N.Y.: born Apr.1871 Ireland, to U.S. 1885, m.c1892 Elizabeth.
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aghadowey
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The John Tucker born Apr.1871 came to U.S. 1885 according to the census- aged about 14 years so you'd need to look in U.S. for his 1st marriage.
Try www.castlegarden.org for a John Tucker to U.S. c1885 and see if any arrived with other Tuckers (unfortunately very little detail in early records).
Also, Italian Genealogy website has lots of N.Y. marriages, etc.
Will do a bit of looking other places and let you know if I find anything helpful.
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lucytuck
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Thank you so much!
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shanew147
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how sure are you about Co. Longford being his place of birth ?
The only Tucker matches in the civil index close to 1870 that I see in Longford is a James Tucker born about 1859 and deceased in 1880. His details are listed in the Granard registration district which is split between counties Westmeath, Longford and Cavan.
The three possible birth matches around 1870 are in Limerick (1867), Dublin south (1873) and Clones (1873)
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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lucytuck
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I tried www.castlegarden.org for a John Tucker to U.S. c1885, but only came up with a 30-year old John Tucker who came frome Ireland, but no Ann Tucker or Andrew Tucker.
In the census, where was he living, and who else was living with him?
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lucytuck
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Shane,
I am not positive about Longford -- this is the information handed down through the years. But what about the one that aghadowey found -- born in 1871 and emigrated in 1885 and married in Newark to my Elizabeth Callahan in 1892.
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shanew147
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the search I did on the civil index (website mentioned earlier) included a couple of year before and after 1870 so so the results are the same
The three possible birth matches around 1870 are in Limerick (1867), Dublin south (1873) and Clones (1873)
Some of these would seem to be discounted as your John - as they are listed in the IGI on www.familysearch.org, and none of the birth records on this system have a father entered as Andrew.
The IGI is not comprehensive, but the civil index is. So it could be that one of the other John Tucker's births listed could have a father named Andrew, but the only way to find out for certain is to order the certs from the GRO.
Is it possible that he used the name John but it was not his regsitered name ? for example he could have used a middle name in later life. Another possibility is that his first name was not known at the time of birth and it was registered as 'male Tucker'
I am not familiar with US records but could a later census or state record show a more detailed place of origin ?
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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tootsiepie
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Here's Andrew marriage on IGI under TOHER. but it's a Suubmitted entry. Sooo!!
Andrew Toher
Marriages:
Spouse: Annie Casey Family
Marriage:
12 SEP 1865 Granard, Longford, Ireland
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire
And others
Plus all variations in spellings
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tootsiepie
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In the Civil reg.index, the 'Toher' name above is reg. as TOWER.
And there's also 3 little Towers, in the IGI, extracted entries. One of which is a John 1869 (nov or dec I think)
Now I'm either way way out with this one, or spot on.
See Irish Ancestors surname search on Tucker-Tougher-Toher etc.
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/index.htm
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire
And others
Plus all variations in spellings
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tootsiepie
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One more-  Johns baptism appears to transcribed as TOGHER.
https://brsgenealogy.com/ifhf/login.php
So, IMHO I think the Tohers Toghers and Towers are all Tuckers !!
EDITED link-hopefully now correct
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire
And others
Plus all variations in spellings
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lucytuck
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"Here's Andrew marriage on IGI under TOHER. but it's a Suubmitted entry. Sooo!!
Andrew Toher
Marriages:
Spouse: Annie Casey Family
Marriage:
12 SEP 1865 Granard, Longford, Ireland "
Thank you so much; This sounds promising. Does it also show John Tucker going to America? He married in 1892 in Newark New Jersey. Does it show if Andrew or Annie went to America? What were the names of the other 2 children? Thank you....
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