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MonicaLesl
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Hi Jds
Alastair (Cramond Brig user name) is doing a major exercise on tracing soldiers from the Argyll and Sutherland Highlander Regiment who died in the first world war. I've sent him a message to ask him to have a look at your post  He may well have found some information already and if not, would be interested on what is found for his records.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Possible entry in 1901:
Mrs. (  You would need to check original) Swarbreck 39, Plasterer's Labourer, b. Peeblesshire, Eddleston
Jane Swarbreck 29 wife b. West Lothian, St Queensferry
Mary Swarbreck 10 b. West Lothian, St Queensferry
Thomas Swarbreck 8 b. Midlothian, Kirkliston
James Swarbreck 6 b. Midlothian, Currie
William Swarbreck 2 Midlothian, Ratho
Address: Main Door, Kirknewton and East Calder, Midlothian
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Cramond Brig
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I am trying to find out more about the following man:
Thomas Swarbrick, born in Newbridge, Midlothian, probably in the early 1890s and at some point lived in Linlithgow. At some point before 1914 he joined the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. He was killed in action on 21st January 1917.
Anything that anyone can tell me would be gratefully received.
Thanks
jds1949
Hello
As Monica says. I am just finishing a Roll of Honour of the c7,000 Argylls who died in WW1 - and I can confirm that Thomas Swarbrick is there.
The 1901 Scotland Census has this entry about Thomas Swarbrick
Westerton Rows, Kirkliston West Lothian
Thomas Swarbrick, 22, Head, b Ratho, Midlothian occ Shale Miner
His Death is recorded thus:
Private Thomas Swarbrick, 2nd Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, Date of Death: 21/01/1917, Age: 38, Service No: 1308, Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: III. J. 2. Cemetery: Peronne Communal Cemetery Extension
Details about the cemetery can be found here:
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=29501&mode=1
His citation in the memorial says:
In Memory of Private T Swarbrick, 1308, 2nd Bn., Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders who died on 21 January 1917. Remembered with honour
This is the cemetery:
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_photos.aspx?cemetery=29501&mode=1
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MonicaLesl
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Thank you Alistair
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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That's great that there was an age given for Thomas at death. There were only 3 possibilities showing on the 1901 census with different ages, two born in Midlothian.
From your info Alistair, this looks to be Thomas at home with parents in 1891 - all the children showing as born in Ratho:
James Swarbrick 54, quarryman b. Ireland
Mary Ann Swarbrick 48, b. Peebles, Peebles
Alexander Swarbrick 22, mason
Jessie Swarbrick 19
Mary Ann Swarbrick 14
Thomas Swarbrick 12
Sarah Swarbrick 11
Address: Village S Side, Ratho Midlothian
Possible marriage for parents shows on IGI:
JAMES SWARBRICK and MARY ANNE ALLS
Marriage: 11 DEC 1857 in Peebles, Peebles
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Cramond Brig
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Slightly worrying is a 1901 Census entry for Thomas Swarbreck, born 1893.
This would tie in more with JDS's thinking that Thomas Swarbrick was born early 1890s.
I took the age from Thomas Swarbrick being the only one I could find from the Ratho/Newbridge area
JDS - any thoughts about Swarbreck vs. Swarbrick
Alistair
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MonicaLesl
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That Thomas Swarbreck b. 1893 is the one that I posted earlier (there were only two b. Midlothian searching for Swarb*).
Although, with Thomas' age showing as 38 at death in 1917, certainly points to the family in Ratho that you had found.
As you say, let see what Jds can add
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Just for additional background, this looks to be the 'Mrs' Swanbrick and wife Jane, from 1901, in the 1891 census:
Thomas Swarbrick 26, roadman b. Peebles
Jane Swarbrick 21 b. Broxburn, Linlithgow
Address: Newbridge, Kirkliston
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Cramond Brig
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Thomas Swarbrick enlisted in 1914 age 35 but there is no record of Thomas Swarbreck enlisting anywhere in the Army, either in National Archive or MoD records - so the 35 year old Thomas does seem more likely
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jds1949
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Thanks for all the replies - I think that we have two separate people here. The one I posted originally is:
Medal Index Card:
Swarbrick Thomas, 2/Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, Private, 1308
Victory Medal
British Medal
1914 Star
Date of entry: 11th September 1914
Killed in action: 21st January 1917
Information from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission:
T. Swarbrick, private, 1308, 2nd Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, who died on Sunday 21st January 1917.
He was buried at Peronne Communal Cemetery Extension, Ste Radegonde, Somme, France.
The Times, Friday, Feb 23, 1917; pg. 2; Issue 41410; col E
Deaths
ROLL OF HONOUR
Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders
Swarbrick 1308 T [Linlithgow]
“Soldiers Who Died in the Great War” gives the additional information that Thomas Swarbrick was born in Newbridge, Midlothian, lived at Linlithgow and enlisted at Stirling. Killed in Action. The low service number and the early date of entry would both seem to suggest that this man was a regular soldier before the outbreak of war.
Then there is another Thomas on whom I have this:
Extract from WO 364/4047
Thomas Swarbrick 6375 Private 8th Regiment Black Watch
[This man is not in the medal rolls as he only served for some 12 days; however – see below]
Attestation dated 29th October 1914
Age 35 years 185 days
Trade coal miner
Married – wife Mary [Pollock married 2nd June 1899 at Kirkliston.
Children – Agnes b. 5th May 1900; James b. 13th July 1903 baptised in Glasgow
Born Midlothian, Scotland
Height 5 ft 6 in
Weight 125 lbs
Complexion Fresh
Eyes Blue
Hair Red
Church of England
Medical inspection at Edinburgh
Discharged as medically unfit – 11th November 1914
Cause – defective vision – LE v = 6/9 RE v = 6/24 “Quite unfit”
Thomas Swarbrick was born in 1879 at Ratho in Midlothian, the son of James and Mary Ann [Alles] Swarbrick. In 1901 he was living at Kirkliston, West Lothian, with his wife and working as a slate miner. The following records would seem to be for the same man. Presumably having been discharged by one regiment he waited three days - walked round the corner and joined up elsewhere!
Medal Index Card:
Swarbrick Thomas, Royal Scots, Private, 350634
Labour Corps 562320
Victory medal
British medal
Information extracted from Pension Record [Ancestry]
Edinburgh
Born 1879
Birth place: Ratho, Midlothian
Examined 14th November 1914
Enlisted 14th November 1914
Declared age: 35 years
Trade: Stone miner
Height: 5 feet 6 ¼ inches
Weight: 142 lbs
Chest 38 inches
Expansion: 3 ½ inches
Physical development: good
Joined on enlistment: 9th [Reserve] Battalion Highlanders Royal Scots Regimental number: 2629 [350634 crossed through]
Transferred to Yorkshires 244701
Became non-effective by Eastern Command Labour Centre 362320
Hospital admissions:
Craiglith 2/04/15 – 8/04/15 – [illegible] acute attack
Military Hospital Tralee 31/01/17 – 5/02/17 Scabies – mild
3rd Scottish General 3/01/18 – 23/02/18 34 PHO Reported sick in France, complaining of aching pains in back and legs and with shivering. Treatment [illegible word] Sod. Sal. & Bromide
Invaliding disability: Nyalgia [crossed through] NIL
Date of origin: 1917
Discharged: 21st March 1919
Medical Board dated 20th November 1919 – No disability, heart and lungs normal, all other systems normal
Edinburgh 23rd January 1920 Medical Board
Complains of pains in the shins
Heart and lungs show no abnormality. There is no pain or creaking in any of the joints connected with the arm. Lower limbs movement free. No tenderness of shins. Slight creaking in both knee joints. The board can find no [illegible] disability.
I will now go and print off all of your answers and see if I can untangle these two men!
Thanks again to all for the new information
jds1949
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jds1949
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Dear Monica and Alistair,
I have been trying to untangle this – several thoughts:
Swarbrick/Swarbreck – Swarbrick is the most common, but Swarbreck is a recognised variation of the surname, I have examples of families switching from one to the other and back again.
Thomas who was born in 1879 in Ratho, the son of James and Ann must be my second Thomas – the one who enlisted twice. He was with his wife Mary [Pollock] in 1901 at Kirkliston. His records give his occupation – miner- and wife – Mary – birthplace and birthdate – all match.
So he cannot be the Thomas killed in action on the 21st January 1917.
As I originally posted I think this Thomas must have been in the army before the war started – he has the 1914 Star and a low regimental number. I suspect that he is Monica’s Thomas aged 8 in 1901. However, Alistair, that would not fit with the ages that you have for the Argyll & Sutherland man. – So, is there a third Thomas Swarbrick lurking out there?
It is maddening that two sets of records seem to have survived for one Thomas and none for the second – one for each would have been much better!
Not sure where we go from here - I suspect that the two men are related there is clearly a Peebles and a Ratho connection. My data on the second Thomas, son of James, has a connection back to Ireland and, although I don't have the connection yet, I suspect that the trail then goes to Lancashire, which is where all Swarbricks originally come from.
If you have any fresh thoughts I'd be delighted to hear them.
jds1949
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MonicaLesl
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I know Alastair is so enthusiastic on getting the records he is collecting right that he will be pleased to make corrections as required on his data Not sure where the age 38 may have crept in to his records but I am sure he can give the background to that.
That's a good records check Ev 
Jds, to go back to your original query having established which of the two Thomases you are after, what sort of information in particular are you looking for him. Are you trying to go back or establish his movements and events in his life after the 1901 census?
Monica
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