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jds1949
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Dear Monica
I'm actually trying to do two things at once. I'm building a database of all Swarbricks who served in WW1 and I'm also continuing to build my database on all Swarbrick families. My main problem is that whilst I can access English material fairly easily I am totally lost when it comes to Scottish records. This hasn't previously been a problem, most Swarbricks stayed in Lancashire, or went to Canada or Australia. This is the first lot that I have found in Scotland and, I suspect based on what I have so far, it's all one big extended family.
So, in answer to your question - I'd like anything that I can get on Thomas - especially if I can connect him back to the other Thomas in some way. This is what I currently have on Thomas #2
His father James would seem not to have been in Scotland at the time of the 1851 census - so he presumably arrived at some point in the 1850s.
1861 census entry
Peebles
Rosetta Lodge
James Swarbrick 24 Labourer b. Ireland
Mary A Swarbrick 20
George 1
1871 ensus entry
Midlothian
Ratho
James Swarbrick 34 Farm labourer b. Ireland
Mary Ann Swarbrick 30
James Swarbrick 6
Alexander Swarbrick 3
1881 census entry [698-A dist 3 page 22]
Ratho Edinburgh Scotland
Village
James Swarbrick Head Married 44 Quarryman b. Ireland
Mary Ann Swarbrick Wife Married 38 b. Peebles
James Swarbrick Son Single 16 Quarryman b. Peebles
Alexander Swarbrick Son Single 12 Scholar b. Ratho
Jessie Swarbrick Daughter Single 9 Scholar b. Ratho
Elizabeth Swarbrick Daughter Single 6 Scholar b. Ratho
Mary Ann Swarbrick Daughter Single 4 b. Ratho
Thomas Swarbrick Son Single 2 b. Ratho *
Sarah Sophia Swarbrick Daughter Single 1 b. Ratho
*this is the #2 Thomas
1891 census entry
Ratho, Midlothian
Village South Side
James Swarbrick head married 54 Quarryman b. Ireland
Mary Ann Swarbrick 48
Alexander Swarbrick 22
Jessie Swarbrick 19
Mary Ann Swarbrick 14
Thomas Swarbrick 12 Message boy b. Ratho
Sarah Swarbrick 11
1901 census entry
Kirkliston, West Lothian
Westeaton Row
Thomas Swarbrick head married 22 Slate miner b. Ratho, Midlothian
Mary Swarbrick 22
Any further contributions gratefully received,
jds1949
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jds1949
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Monica,
I forgot - I also have one further entry for this family:
Swarbrick Henry, R. Highlanders, Private, 2163
Royal Engineers, Sapper, 137558
To 2 Reserves, 14th January 1919
Theatre of war: France
Date of entry therein: 3rd May 1915
Additional Information from WO 363 S2918
Service reckoned from 13th August 1915
Next of kin: Mrs Jeanie Swarbrick Randolph Street, Cowdenbeath Fifeshire
Employed as a miner by Tochgill [Possibly Lochgelly?] Coal Company Cowdenbeath
Posted as sapper in 179 Company
Mustered as tunneller’s mate with extra pay of 1/- per day from 14/8/15
Attached to 254 Tunnelling Company in August 1916
Went AWOL from 1/1/15 until 3/1/15 – admonished
Committed a civil offence [stealing] in the field 3/9/16 – 60 days field punishment no.1
There are two possible candidates for this man, the most likely being the Henry Swarbrick born in 1891 in Hamilton, the son of William and Mary [Kirk] Swarbrick. In 1901 he was living with his parents at 5, Whitehall Road, Hamilton. He was still at school; his father was working as a coal miner.
The other possibility is the Henry Swarbrick born in 1888 also in Hamilton, the son of Henry and Grace [Pennel] Swarbrick. In 1901 this Henry was apprenticed to a tailor whilst his father, who had been a coal dealer, would appear to have died.
The two Henrys were 1st cousins.
It's old age and all the excitement!
jds1949
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Cramond Brig
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I have just accessed the 1917 death registration for the only Thomas Swarbrick to die that year and his age is given as 23.
Not sure if that helps
Alistair
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MonicaLesl
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Regarding Thomas born in Newbridge c. 1893 with parents Thomas and Jane. Have a look on Ancestry trees, there is a line for his parents (there are quite a number of Swarbrick trees, there may be other entries).
The Thomas and Jane showing in Kirkliston in 1891. Jane is showing with maiden name Ritchie. His parents are showing as Thomas Swarbrick and Janet Forest. There is this birth showing on IGI which would fit:
THOMAS HENRY SWARBRICK Birth:11 FEB 1863 Peebles, Peebles
Parents: THOMAS SWARBRICK and JANET FORREST
This is the only birth showing to these parents on IGI. But that is likely because there is a death showing for his father in 1865. Thomas b. 1837 is showing as born in Ireland like James so maybe a connection. There is quite a bit of detail including this Thomas' parents.
Have a look on Ancestry. With your background on the families hopefully you can make the links!
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Yep, Thomas is showing as sibling to James b. 1837, Ann b. 1834 and John b. 1824. Parents Henry and Catherine (McCann).
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Regarding Henry that you have:
Swarbrick Henry, R. Highlanders, Private, 2163
Royal Engineers, Sapper, 137558
To 2 Reserves, 14th January 1919
Theatre of war: France
Date of entry therein: 3rd May 1915
There are actually three possible Henrys showing on the 1901 census  ...born between 1888 to 1892:
1. Henry, b. 1888, son of Henry and Grace (Pennel) Swarbrick showing as living in Stevenson, Ayrshire in 1901 - born Hamilton
2. Henry, b. 1892, son of William and Mary (Kirk) Swarbrick, born and living in Hamilton and...
3. Henry, b. 1890, showing as son of Jane and born in Tennessee, US (at least 4 of the children born there). Family are living Hamilton!
These boys you would think are all extended family.
Going by entries on family trees again on Ancestry, I think we can take out possibly No.2, Henry son of William and Mary. He looks to have have moved to the US in 1904 (given his age, 12, I would imagine the whole family may have migrated?), dieing there in 1981 (Illinois). There is quite detailed info for him on the US (probably from census data).
Back to the army records for Henry. I don't supposed there was a description for next of kin: Mrs Jeanie Swarbrick Randolph Street, Cowdenbeath Fifeshire - mother or wife? The fact that in 1901 his mother shows as Jane may help. Maybe a search for deaths for a Jane/jean in Fife would give some indication of age. Don't know at this stage who father was (given he doesn't show in 1901) or Jane's maiden name.
Monica 
Added: Mother Mary, Henry and siblings arrived in the US on Jun 26, 1904 on the 'Furnessia' from departure port of Glasgow. They were joining father William who was already there.
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MonicaLesl
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Regarding Henry No.2, from the above list, showing as son of Jane and born in Tennessee, US. I think from tree entries, that father was John Swarbrick (no details on him) and Jane Ferguson. Jane shows as born 1862 in Kilsyth, Stirlingshire which matches what is down on her 1901 census entry. John and Jane are showing as having married in June 1885 in Maryhill, Lanarkshire, a couple of children in Scotland before they headed off to the US it would seem from the details on the family's 1901 entry back in Scotland.
Monica
Added: Got the details now on John, father to Henry born in the US. He was born in East Kilbride in 1862. His parents show as John (son of Henry and Catherine) and Jane Hogg
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MonicaLesl
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This can all wait, Jds Enjoy the weekend!
Monica
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jds1949
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Dear Monica and Alistair,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you but life sometimes gets in the way of hobbies.
From what you have kindly found for me and what I had already I think that what we have now is as follows:
Thomas Swarbrick born in 1879 in Ratho, the son of James and Ann was the Thomas Swarbrick who enlisted briefly in the 8th Black Watch and then served in the Royal Scots and Labour Corps.
Thomas Swarbrick born Newbridge in 1893 the son of Thomas Henry and Jane [Ritchie] Swarbrick was the man who served in 2nd Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders and was KIA 21st January 1917. The only problem with that is the age [38] supplied by Alistair, which clearly doesn’t tally. Is there any chance that the age is wrong?
Henry Swarbrick born 1891 in Hamilton the son of William and Mary [Kirk] Swarbrick was almost certainly the man who served in the Royal Highlanders and then as a sapper in the 179th Tunnelling Company. He was a miner before the war so that fits well.
The other Henry Swarbrick, born in 1888 in Hamilton, the son of Henry and Grace [Pennel] Swarbrick is possibly this man who enlisted in the Gordon Highlanders
Medal Index Card:
Swarbrick Henry, Gordon Highlanders, Private [Corporal], S/10443
Theatre of war: France
Date of entry therein: 25th August 1915
Class Z 26th February 1919
I shall, at some point, check out the family posted on Ancestry as advised by Monica.
Thanks again to both of you,
jds1949
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Jds
Real life sometimes does take over doesn't it!
The only additional note I would make is regarding the possible Henrys. Henry, son of William and Mary, b. 5 Aug 1891 in Hamilton has a US WWW1 Draft Card showing him as working as a miner in Montgomerry, Illinois. He was however claiming exemption from draft due to Mental Disability. The Reg Card is dated 5th June (doesn't show year that I can see) and his age as 25 so draft year 1915 just before birth day in August perhpas. He also shows as single.
So, I would have a question mark as to whether the Henry that served in the Royal Highlands was indeed the son of William and Mary or the other Henry (no.3 on my list) who was born in the US but back in Hamilton for the 1901 census with mother Jean (father possible John). The Jeannie Swarbrick who is given as next of kin could well be the mother who shows in the 1901 census perhaps.
Something to work through as you say
Monica
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