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Topic: Barbara Jones born Thornley, Durham 1896 *COMPLETED* (Read 470 times)
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ivanidea
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Hello Irene
I am not a family member but hope that the following may be of some help to you.
On the 1911 Census although there seem to be quite a few Jones families living in Easington District, Durham a “free” search gives only one household comprising a Barbara Jones born c1896 and an Elizabeth Jones old enough to be her mother. Refining the search reveals that this Elizabeth was married c1894 and that there is a John Edward Jones in the same household.
So it might be worth viewing the 1911 transcription if you have not already done so as this will show places and dates of birth. Of course this might not be your family but it does look promising.
On FreeBMD there is a record of a marriage for a John Edward Jones in 1893:
Marriages Dec 1893
Easington Vol. 10a Page 610
Bailes, John Mitchieson
Jones, John Edward
Morrison, Elizabeth
Nichol, Marianne
It is by no means unknown for the GRO Index to contain errors in the spelling of names and this record could be worth further investigation.
Regards
Ivan
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O1dgobbo
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Hi Irene & Ivan
The 1893 marriage is independently indexed on the Durham County council site and the bride's name is shown as Morrison there, see
http://www.durham.gov.uk/Pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=663
All the best
Gobbo
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evie
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Barnaby
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Hi
Durham Records Online seem to say the same too.
Just looked at the index and I see that it is typed, so it could be a transcription error. Have seen a few mistakes when the index has been typed out. 
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jacquelineve
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Hello Irene
Possible...
1901 Weston Rhyn,Oswestry,Shropshire. RG13/2546 folio 49 page 3
JONES
John 28 collier Forge Denbeighshire Wales
Elizb. 26 Thorney Durham
Francis A Maddnoe? 12 lodger ...... ......
BARBARA Jones 6 ...... .....
John ..... 3 ....... ......
William ...... 1 The Square Pendlebury
There is a Thornley about 4 miles from Easington
Jackie
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O1dgobbo
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Hi Jackie & Irene
I was just looking at that 1901 Shropshire record when Jackie posted. she has done a marvellous job reading John's county of birth, it had me totally baffled. Looks as if the family moved away from Durham about 1899 to work first in Lancashire (see birth of William) and then in Shropshire. I certainly cannot find a Barbara Jones of about the right age in Co Durham for 1901.
The Shropshire entry shows her as age 6, this is a year older than I would expect but families often seem to get childrens' ages slightly wrong when filling in the census.
All the best
Gobbo
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ivanidea
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There are 2 Barbara Jones living in Easington District in 1901 (edit) 1911: the one identified above and Barbara Jane born c1877. Removing those with the surname Jones apparently living in the same household as Barabra Jane from the list of all those with the surname Jones and living with a Barbara Jones in Easington gives the following:
John Edward born c1874
Elizabeth c1875
Barabra c1896
John c1898
William c1900
Mary Kathaleen c1902
Albert c1906
Elizabeth c1908
Mark c1910
Of course there could be others in the same household with a different surname.
The first 5 seem to match the 1901 Census found by Jackie. The name Mark could be signicant.
Ivan
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irene33
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Hi Everyone,
While I was sleeping you were all working hard. I am not quite so handy at the rootchat as you all seem to be with the links, copies etc I just want to thank each one of you for your hard work and help on this one.
You all seem to have come to the same conclusions that I have. I have the 1901 and 1911 census because I have for a while thought this family were my family. John Jones listed Chirk Green, Denbigh as his birth place on the 1911 census and I beleive Mary Kathleen was born there (Forge and Chirk Green were very close)
Barbara - you noticed the Frances A Maddison in the 1901 census of the family in Oswestry. I do believe that John Edward Jones and Elizabeth Maddison married and the transcription of Morrison is an error.
What can I do about this, can I get this error changed?
I have a copy of the Jones & Morrison Marriage it is actually handwritten as Morrison. Therefore, I think this error started at the original source (a busy registrar, not writing them down immediately, maybe a little hung over from all the marriages).
Any suggestion on how I can correct these errors would help. thanks Irene
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Jones - Denbigh
Maddison - Durham
Pearson - Arley & Coventry, Warwickshire
Bangham/Baugham - Worces. & Staffordshire
Gardiner - Cullen, Banff
Jones/Muston/McDermott - Portsmouth, Hants (not related to Jones, Wales)
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irene33
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Just thought I would add one more piece of information.
Barbara Jones on her birth certificate lists
"The mark of Mary Maddison present at the birth, Wood Street, Thornley"
"Barbara Jones born April 26, 1895, Front Street, Thornley"
Father "John Edward Jones"
Mother "Elizabeth Jones formerly Maddison"
signed by Mathew Laws interim registrar
Until the next time...irene
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Jones - Denbigh
Maddison - Durham
Pearson - Arley & Coventry, Warwickshire
Bangham/Baugham - Worces. & Staffordshire
Gardiner - Cullen, Banff
Jones/Muston/McDermott - Portsmouth, Hants (not related to Jones, Wales)
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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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Barbara - you noticed the Frances A Maddison in the 1901 census of the family in Oswestry. I do believe that John Edward Jones and Elizabeth Maddison married and the transcription of Morrison is an error.
What can I do about this, can I get this error changed?
I have a copy of the Jones & Morrison Marriage it is actually handwritten as Morrison. Therefore, I think this error started at the original source (a busy registrar, not writing them down immediately, maybe a little hung over from all the marriages).
Any suggestion on how I can correct these errors would help. thanks Irene
Hi Irene,
It's easy enough to correct the error on the ancestry transcription for Frances, just click on 'add alternate information' at the side of the entry. On findmypast Frances, Barbara, John and William are all indexed with surnames Maddnob 
on there you can click on 'report transcription change' - but they only accept what is actually written, not what you think it should be. Anyway have done the findmypast correction for you, will leave you to do the ancestry one
As to the error with the marriage, you would first need to find the original Wingate Grange parish record to see what that says. As durhamrecordsonline have transcribed these, and say they welcome corrections, it would be worth emailing them to ask them to look again at the originals - see this FAQ page:
http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/FAQ.php?faq_id=22&category_id=5
Kind regards
Barbara 
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