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bellbird
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Hi fellow Kiwis. I have been tracing my great grandparents in NZ. I have them okay, she being of the Ackerman family (Jane Jolliffe Ackerman prior to marrying her husband who liked to be called Thomas (full name John Powell Thomas Grant Webb). They lived in the Upper Hutt area presumably until he died and Jane moved in with one of her daughters. I have been told he is buried in St Johns Trentham Churchyard, it appears to be unmarked, and Janes burial taught me to not take she's not here for granted when other sources say she is. Palmerston North Cemetery said she wasn't there, but pushing them further in response to a microfiche in Wellington they found her, she's sharing a grave with one of her daughters. I have found some of their family (all daughters i.e. original family).
However her brother Henry came out to NZ a little later and settled in the Carterton area. An article in Papers Past tells of an altercation Henry had with Jane while JPTG was halfway across the Hutt River, threatening "to do for her and burn her house down". Sounds a fiesty guy yet the photos Mum had of him he doesn't give that impression. I have one photo of him and one of his family which appears to be a celebration of some sort as there is a large highly decorated cake in the front. The Ackerman family after that generation seem to have vacated that area and I have been unable to trace descendants of which I hope one would have the same photo of the group and be able to name them for me. Seems strange for the whole group to disappear. There are Ackermans on the West Coast of the North Island but I have had no response to a letter drop I did to them. So I am wondering if there is anyone out there who is a member of Henry's family, who is able to help me. My Mother's family attended the same school as some of Henry's children it would appear and probably accounts for her mother being left out of Jane's will. - guess she may have been seen as "consorting with the enemy" as the saying goes. Henry, his wife and one daughter are buried in the Carterton area. Ackerman family in England were surprised to learn of there being Ackermans in NZ. Jane and Henry came from a quite large family and I have been able to trace their births and marriage and children in England and the ship they came out on. BELLBIRD
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althea
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Hi Bellbird
So just wondering what we can specifically look for?
You want Henry's family
Do you have all the children, just looking at NZSG index and the school records. Alice, Mary Jane, Elizabeth Carterton school
Then there are later ones with HEnry Ackerman father at Wellington, is this a son?
Bye
Althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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bellbird
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Morning folks, Alan I am looking at the P.N. Cemetery records for Ackermans you suggested, still don't know if they were mine and who they'd be in the photo. Don't know who of the married ones (children in photo) is family and who are in-laws, even how many children Henry and Susan had. Alice in Althea's list is buried in the same cemetery as Henry and Susan (parents) so obviously remained a spinster, maybe she was kept home to look after the parents. Henry in Wellington sounds like a son named after Daddy. Maybe if it is possible to find Henry's death notice it might well list the children but don't think he is well enough off to be of note. It wouldn't help with the naming of people in the photo. The research lady in Carterton area knows of a lady in Wellngton that she knows comes from an Ackerman family and is fairly certain is connected to Henry's family but the lady hasn't replied to numerous attempts to contact her. Will have to try and get some time off work, (difficult when freight keeps flowing in and has to be delivered same day) and get into the central library and browse through the electoral rolls for Carterton area. As I've said Mum's family had contact with Henry living in same area but being of a different generation the children's ages must be vastly different, I guess. Thanks for your help. Lyn
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Lucy2
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Children of Henry and Susan ACKERMAN
There's quite a bit of information to come, for the children. I haven't looked too closely for their births on FREE BMD - a "William George ACKERMAN - BIRTHS - JUN - 1865 - registered Bridport" seemed a likely son ? I'll start though, with the daughters.
NZ Marriage Index
Mary Jane ACKERMAN - John James GRAVESTOCK - 1895
Deaths
Mary Jane GRAVESTOCK - died 12 May 1958 - aged 88 years (bc 1870)
Buried Clareville Cemetery, Carterton - Plot 397 - C of E
Husband John James GRAVESTOCK d. 1938, in an adjacent plot at Clareville.
NZ Birth Index
1898 - GRAVESTOCK - Vivian Roy
Parents : Mary Jane and John James
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Lucy2
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NZ Marriage Index
Vivian Roy GRAVESTOCK - Zoe Thorpe MANNING - 1924
Palmerston North Cemeteries database
GRAVESTOCK - Vivian Roy - d. 1981 - 82 years
NZ Death Index
1981 - GRAVESTOOCK - Vivian Roy - d.o.b. 22 January 1898
1992 - GRAVESTOCK - Zoe Thorpe - d.o.b. 10 July 1897
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bellbird
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Thanks Lucy for your efforts, will have a real good look at it over the weekend, week days I'm real tired after work thanks to another brain injury from a learner driver ploughing into the back of my work van. Some days get real tired not doing alot, thinking processes slow too. Still can retire at end of March.  
My interest in Henry's family is due to the family photo of a time of celebration (huge cake sitting on ground in front of them) and I don't know who is who and would love to know. So hope through the family history to find an Ackerman rele who may have the same photo and know who they all are. The fact that they all seem to have disappeared didn't help. However seeing from your list three were girls that would account for some of it, when they married, though as I've said it seems that Alice stayed home to look after the parents as she is buried under name of Alice Ackerman. Henry's gravestone said he was born 1838 in Burton Bradstock as was Jane my rele. Your comment about assisted passage would fit in with the newspaper report in Papers about the "attack" by Henry on Jane as part of his beef was that he'd been brought out on false information. Intriguing too that Henry in Wellington was not part of the family as that means another Ackerman also came out to NZ, this will be new info for Ackermans back in England, they thought they were only in the UK so another surprise. I think it is the name Gravestock that Adele (Carterton Researcher) has been trying to get a response from. Ackerman spelling in family history varies from Ackerman, Akerman and Acreman, maybe others too. Have been trying to chase up my great grandparents on Dad's side, the Bonds are ok apart from 3x great grandfather dying (inquest report) but no one can find where he was buried and have put it down to clergyman forgetting to write it in the Parish Records. William White and his wife Anne I can only find the names of their children and the fact that the parents died very young, she in a unmarked shared grave at Port Chalmers, and he it seems to be in Dunedin though a lighterman under title Captain which may have been a nick name. Children were young my grandmother 1 year old who doesn't show up until 13 in an Industrial School, the older two apart from their marriages don't appear at all. Have got William's bankruptcy papers as was told they often hold other info, but these don't unfortunately. Can't trace their births or marriage in Scotland or arrival in NZ. He would have been 20 and she 17 according to family story. Consequently Ackermans were on the back burner for awhile. Mum's father I can't trace his arrival in NZ as he jumped ship and wandered around under a false name for some time until someone convinced him to contact his family in Devon and say he was ok, they weren't amused having reached the purple stage of mourning. Twould appear that nothing is new, so much that happened then, still happens today though a little different some time. Whoa 20 t0 7 must run and get to work. Look forward to your further info. Lyn
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Lucy2
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Children of Henry and Susan ACKERMAN - cont'd.
Elizabeth ACKERMAN
NZ Marriage Index
Elizabeth Susan ACKERMAN - Henry HALFYARD - 1889
Children of Elizabeth Susan and Henry HALFYARD :
1890 - Petronella HALFYARD
1892 - Ethel Vera HALFYARD
1897 - Sybil HALFYARD
1901 - Philip Henry Charles HALFYARD
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Lucy2
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HALFYARD
The NZ Marriage Index shows only two listings for this surname (Henry to Elizabeth Susan in 1889 ... and their daughter Ethel Vera in 1919) :
Marriage
Ethel Vera HALFYARD - Marcus Christian HANSEN - 1919
NZ Death Index
1963 - Ethel Vera HANSEN - 71 years
1964 - Marcus Christian HANSEN - 77 years
[Place of burial/cremation, as yet unknown Nelson ]
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Lucy2
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HALFYARD family
Deaths
Susan Elizabeth HALFYARD - (72) - d. 8 August 1940
Henry HALFYARD - (71) - d. 22 October 1933
Petronella HALFYARD - (37) - d. 13 June 1928
Sybil HALFYARD - (27) - d. 16 November 1928
Phillip Henry Charles HALFYARD - (37) - d. 5 November 1938
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ALL are buried in the Archer Street Cemetery at Masterton.
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Lucy2
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Note re: Elizabeth ACKERMAN :
NZ Death Index shows her as "1940 - HALFYARD - Elizabeth Susan - 72 years"
Burial - "Susan Elizabeth HALFYARD"
1871 Census - Crewkerne, Somerset
"ACKERMAN - Susan - aged 2 - daughter - born Bristol "
FREE BMD - BIRTHS - JUN - 1868
"ACKERMAN - Susan Elizabeth - reg'd Clifton (Gloucestershire)
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