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Grizzly
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Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« on: Sunday 13 September 09 21:07 UTC (UK) »
My ancestor, Joseph Outram ( born West Melton 1845, married to Ann Eggleston ) was, by 1891, a colliery manager living in Rawmarsh at Beechwood House.

I'd like to find which colliery he managed. I've gone to National Archives, Googled and looked at various pit history websites but have drawn a blank.

There was a Joseph Outram awarded the Edwards Medal for his efforts, with the Tankersley Rescue Squad, in the mine disaster at Hamstead near Birmingham in 1908. I don't think it was my Joseph as he would have been 63 at the time and the photos of the event show a man of about 45.

Please can anyone suggest a next step ?

Thanks

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 September 09 07:10 UTC (UK) »
Hi Grizzly, Would the Local Studies Library closest to where he lived have anything that might give you a lead?   I have always found them very helpful- and especially when you can tell them that you have hunted hard yourself for the info.

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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW  Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+

GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

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HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

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Grizzly
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 September 09 08:14 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Charlotte - a very good idea and an e-mail is on it's way to them now !

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 September 09 09:07 UTC (UK) »
G,

Let us know how you get on about this.

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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW  Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+

GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

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Grizzly
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 September 09 09:10 UTC (UK) »
Will do !

Joseph had a pretty poor start in life- an illegitimate twin- so it is great to see him rise so high. I've just been looking for present day details of the house he lived in and it was on the market recently for £1 million.

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 September 09 09:12 UTC (UK) »
Pity he didn't will it to you Cry Cry

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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW  Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+

GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 September 09 09:15 UTC (UK) »
 Grin Grin  Sadly he was not that close !

Good point though...who did he leave it to ? There must be a will somewhere.....aaahhhh...so much to do !

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 September 09 09:22 UTC (UK) »
Another interesting question about the 19th C is how many people who came from very humble moneyless circs ended up with absolutely heaps of dosh.
I guess they were entrepreneurial and siezed the Indust. Rev's opportunities.

Another thing I wonder about is how in the very early 19th C  the children of weavers were literate. Where did they learn to write, and develop such clear well formed writing?

So many questions Roll Eyes

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GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 September 09 13:49 UTC (UK) »
Let's have a guess that in 1891 he wouldn't have been travelling too far to work (transport?). So the nearest collieries to Rawmarsh would have been, New Stubbin, Aldwarke and Kilnhurst; there are a handfull of collieries a little further affield; Silverwood, Wath, Manvers and Cortonwood.  I will check that these were working in 1891.


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« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 September 09 13:51 UTC (UK) »
First off rank is New Stubbin - didn't start untill 1915
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« Reply #10 on: Monday 14 September 09 13:53 UTC (UK) »
Kilnhurst was working but known as Thrybergh Hall Colliery
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 14 September 09 13:57 UTC (UK) »
Have just found another colliery - previously unknown to me. not far from the top of Rawmarsh hill is Warren vale road. (In my youth it was regularly by the local youth used to show how fast they could drive), however it seems that there was a Warren Vale Colliery there.
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 14 September 09 13:58 UTC (UK) »
And a Warren house colliery
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 14 September 09 14:00 UTC (UK) »
aldwarke was working at that time
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 14 September 09 14:23 UTC (UK) »
A thousand thanks !

I've got him- at Warren Vale in 1896. There were 692 men working at the mine and the manager is given as  J. Outram.

Now for the death date and will...!

Thanks again to everyone for your help.

One very happy Grizzly !

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