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winston
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 06:35 UTC (UK) »

HI

this link here gives a J Outram at Thrybergh Hall could this also be your Joseph?


http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/mhn/1896-45.htm


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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 07:28 UTC (UK) »

It could indeed Wendy !  I'd missed him.

Thanks very much for that - a bit more rooting around is called for.

That's my day taken care of !

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 12:57 UTC (UK) »

HI

this link here gives a J Outram at Thrybergh Hall could this also be your Joseph?


http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/mhn/1896-45.htm


Wendy

Great stuff; I had been looking for that site yesterday but somehow it had gone missing - thnks Wendy.

Being not too far apart it looks as though he was managing two pits for the one company.

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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 13:02 UTC (UK) »

Thrybergh Hall colliery was later known as Kilnhurst colliery.

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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 13:13 UTC (UK) »

It would seem that the Charlesworth family owned som eight collieries, three of which were in the Rotherham area. Both Warren vale and Thrybergh Hall are described as Major collieries.

See this link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/073x/

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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell

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-------Philippines --- Bohol
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 15:22 UTC (UK) »

Wow ! What a fabulous book ! It's complete too.

I was just thinking this morning that some serious delving into the coal industry was needed and here it is.  I remember the south Yorkshire coal industry of the 50s and 60s and didn't realise there were so many mines before that, some of them very small.

Many thanks for the link and for all your help.

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 23:04 UTC (UK) »

Wow ! What a fabulous book ! It's complete too.


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Are you sure? if so please help me, I can only get a handfull of pages and unfortunately hard copy of the book seems to be around US$250 Shocked Shocked

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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell

South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire

Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
-------Philippines --- Bohol
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 16 September 09 07:33 UTC (UK) »

No...you're right. When I went back to the beginning it seems they blank out pages  and so it is not complete. Sorry to raise your hopes !

I'll have a go at the library and see if they can find a copy somewhere.

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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 16 September 09 09:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi Charlotte,
Just a note regarding your query as to why chilren were literate from poor families. I come from Leeds where there were many poor families, and including mine. My Uncle was at school at 2 years old in the 1920's, and both he and my Mum could read and write and do arithmatic.  Basically thats all as they didnt get many other subjects but the 3 R's. Plus the handwriting was great of course.
Also in Leeds there is a place called Armley Mills which is well worth a visit if you go to Leeds. This is a preserved cotton mill with all the machinery, the water wheel, and you can hear the dreadful noise of the machines. Plus they have a small classroom where the younger kids had to do a bit of school work in between working and also waiting for their parents to finish work.
No NSPCC in those days.
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Re: Joseph Outram -which colliery did he manage ?
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 16 September 09 10:29 UTC (UK) »


Another thing I wonder about is how in the very early 19th C  the children of weavers were literate. Where did they learn to write, and develop such clear well formed writing?

So many questions Roll Eyes

charlotte
Hi Charlotte,
Just a note regarding your query as to why chilren were literate from poor families. I come from Leeds where there were many poor families, and including mine. My Uncle was at school at 2 years old in the 1920's, and both he and my Mum could read and write and do arithmatic.  Basically thats all as they didnt get many other subjects but the 3 R's. Plus the handwriting was great of course.
Also in Leeds there is a place called Armley Mills which is well worth a visit if you go to Leeds. This is a preserved cotton mill with all the machinery, the water wheel, and you can hear the dreadful noise of the machines. Plus they have a small classroom where the younger kids had to do a bit of school work in between working and also waiting for their parents to finish work.
No NSPCC in those days.
regards
Sandymc


It is also worth noting that although many employers treated thier workers with contempt, there were a handfull of very wealthy industrialists that would educate, house and provide medical treatment. Classic examples of this would have been Titus Salt of Saltaire fame, not too far from Sandymc's Leeds. Salt gave his workers benefits that even by todays standards could be considered generous. Meanwhile over in Grizzly's neck of the woods were the Fitzwilliams of Wentworth, owners of many mines and steelworks; yet they provided schools and housing.

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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell

South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire

Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
-------Philippines --- Bohol
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