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scotdownsouth
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I have managed to trace my great great grandfather David Mitchell back to his death in Elgin on 30 May 1889 aged 57 at 174 High Street which would give him a birth year of 1832 but his marriage to Ann Dunwoodie in Glasgow on 14 Nov 1856 gave him an age of 26 making his birth year 1830.
Census documents indicate he was born in Duffus Elgin but I can find no trace for either year or any 5 years either side. Any advice, suggestions or assistance much appreciated. His parents on his marriage certificate were Thomas Mitchell and Janet/Jessie Burgess.
Many Thanks.
George
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Gadget
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Hi George
Do you have access to all of the censuses? These would give you an age profile for every 10 years.
As he was born before official registration in 1855, the only source is likely tol be baptism records for the C of Scotland. His family might not have been of that religion or his baptism could be missing.
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scotdownsouth
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Hi Gadget
Yes I have the census and other information from following years
1856 Married in Glasgow 14 Nov aged 26 to Ann Dunwoodie (25)
1861 living in Glasgow aged 30 with wife Ann (Dunwoodie) Mitchell (29)
1871 living in Elgin aged 39 with wife Ann
1881 living in Elgin aged 48 with with (new) wife Barbara (54) don't know what happened to Ann........yet
Other information I have
Children born
Jessie Catherine Mitchell b 5 Sep 1857 Glasgow
John Turnbull Mitchell b. 30 Nov 1859 Glasgow
Janet Ann Robertson Mitchell b. 17 Jul 1861 Glasgow
Susan Ann Patterson Mitchell b. 3 Aug 1863 Elgin
Mary Jane Mitchell b. 7 Dec 1866 Elgin
David Mitchell b. 11 Jun 1868 Elgin (my great grandfather)
The strange thing is Jessie and John do not appear on the 1861 census (may have been infant deaths- need to check that out)
Like wise Janet does not appear on the 1871 census and only David appears on the 1881 census. Still have a lot of searching to do to find out what happened to them but concentrating on trying to find Davids birth date and place first. Thanks
George
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Gadget
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Yes - I noticed that they were childless on the 1861 
I've not found his parents so far - either 1841/1851 or a marriage.
It might be that there will be no baptism record for him (I've looked for Mitchell variations and Burgess ).
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scotdownsouth
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His parents were Thomas Mitchell and Janet Burgess as listed on his marriage certificate from 1856 although I have seen on another document the wife is listed as Jessie. Thanks for your assistance and interest.
George
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flst
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I found a sister of David's on familysearch. Elspet,born circa 1834 married James McIntosh 20th June 1856 at the Free Church,Alves. If you look up the marriage details on scotlandspeople it should state whether her parents were still alive,& the witnesses may also give a clue to her heritage. Likewise,the information on David's marriage certificate (2 months later) should help. Did Janet's name appear as m.s.Burgess? If not this may indicate that Thomas & Janet were n't married.I'd a look for them on freecen but could n't find them.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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scotdownsouth
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Thats a breakthrough. Many thanks for that will have a good look tomorrow at that fresh infomation and see where I get to next.
Thanks to you all for your time and trouble.
George
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scotdownsouth
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His parents were Thomas Mitchell and Janet Burgess as listed on his marriage certificate from 1856 although I have seen on another document the wife is listed as Jessie. Thanks for your assistance and interest.
George
Hi George I think you misunderstood  I was looking for them as your first message stated their names. I said that I couldn't find them on the early censuses rather than I didn't know who they were . Gadget PS - Jessie and Janet are used interchangeably in Scotland
Doh! Sorry about that Gadget!
George
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Gadget
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Just looking through the 1841 again - what was Thomas's occupation of David's marriage cert?
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Gadget
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I think I've found them on the 1841 in North Street, Peterhead - no David
Thomas was a Cooper aged 46
Jane, 45
Jessie, 14
Joseph, 12
Elspet, 9
Margaret, 5
All b. Scotland
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flst
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See this link regarding another post about this family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=404127.new#new
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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Gadget
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Thans for that flst
I've jsut found David on the 1851 as a lodger in Elgin, aged 22 then. No sign of his parents .
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flst
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David's also in Elgin in the 1841 census.He's a male servant at Glackmarras,aged 14 & born in Morayshire.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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scotdownsouth
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Thanks for all the info and assistance.
To answer a couple of the questions -
There is no M.S. next to the name Janet Burgess on the Nov 1856 marriage certificate of David Mitchell and Ann Dunwoodie
The occupation of Davids father Thomas Mitchell is given as Master Tailor
The marriage took place in Milton, Glasgow on 14 Nov 1856
David and Anns son (also David) was born on 11 Jun 1868 at 174 High St Elgin
their sixth child after Jessie John Janet Susan and Mary
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