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scotdownsouth
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Thanks Gadget for pointing me in the right direction on that one, will try to get to Edinburgh sometime next month or November.
Agree that the 1841 family is unlikely to be the same given the occupations.
Will check out the marriage cert. of Elspet as suggested and let you know the result of that.
George
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scotdownsouth
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The marriage certificate of Elspet Mitchell 22 and James McIntosh 23 on 20 June 1856 states that Elspets parents were:-
Thomas Mitchell - Labourer (deceased) and
Janet Mitchell - Maiden name Burgess
(although the later 1856 wedding of David, 26, on Nov 14 in Glasgow states Thomas occupation as Master Tailor)
Witnesses were George Souter and Alexander Munro
Elspets place of residence is given as (what looks like) Master-Alves, Parish of Alves and if she is indeed Davids sister then she could be the way ahead as I guess Elspet would be a pretty unusual name (or maybe it was all the rage then!)
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flst
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I think you'll find Elspet is a common name in these parts!The fact that there's different first names on the certificates may be another indicator that they never knew their father .
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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scotdownsouth
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Sorry, I am beginning to get a little confused. Whose names are different and on what certificates?
As far as my research has taken me the only differential in names is that of Janet/Jessie. On the marriage certificate of her son David in 1856 she is listed as being Janet Burgess without m.s. but on the death certificate of David in 1889 she is listed as being Jessie Mitchell m.s. Burgess (deceased) alongside that of Thomas Mitchell - Tailor (deceased)
Hope that explains it or are you talking about someone else? Thanks
George
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flst
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Sorry,I'm confused myself! I meant to say different occupation. Perhaps Thomas was a labourer after being a master tailor but seems a bit unlikely! What do you think?
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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Forfarian
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ICensus documents indicate he was born in Duffus
For some unaccountable reason all the baptisms in Duffus from 1820 until 1854 were omitted from the IGI and the Scotland's People indexes. SP may or may not have remedied this by now. They are indexed on LIBINDX at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp. However I have checked and there is nothing on LIBINDX about David Mitchell or David Burgess born in Duffus in the 1830s.
If, as seems probable, he was illegitimate, it is possible that the Duffus Kirk Session minutes might shed some light on the matter. These are in the National Archives of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk but the last time I looked they were not accessible online, so you would need to get someone to go and look at them for you in Register House, Edinburgh.
In the 1841 census there are a Janet Burghess, 45, ag lab, and Elspet Burghess, 5, in Duffus. She may be the same one who is listed in 1851 as Janet Burgess, 64, pauper, living in Cummingston. I have no other information about this Janet, but she could perhaps be the mother of your David.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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scotdownsouth
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Thanks for your information on this topic. I am now aware that in addition to a parish called Duffus there was also a parish named Dallas in Moray so I may have to revisit my certificates and check on the correct parish as on some certificates it looks like it could be Duffus or Dallas.
I remain convinced (but not yet 100 percent without any documentary evidence) that Janet Burgess and Thomas Mitchell did indeed marry as m.s. appears on the death certificate of their son David (1889) and also on the 1856 marriage certificate of Elspeth Mitchell to James McIntosh who I believe was sister to David but again no hard evidence as yet. Thanks again.
George
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Forfarian
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Ah, yes, I could have told you there are both a Dallas and a Duffus. Very confusing!
If Thomas Mitchell and Janet/Jessie Burgess had three or more children, it does strengthen the evidence for there having been a marriage. It is unusual for a couple to have three illegitimate children, but not impossible.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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scotdownsouth
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Further research has revealed the following
Thomas Mitchell and Janet Burgess had at least 3 children that I have found:-
David b. 20 Aug 1827
Alexander b. 19 Apr 1831
Elspet b. 4 Jan 1834
all traced via the Moray Libindx site but census for 1841 reveals nothing as a family, and I can find nothing at all about Thomas and Janet relating to b/m/d.
All 3 children were born in Cummingston..........the search continues!
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scotdownsouth
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Elspet married James McIntosh in 1856 and died on 16 Dec 1899 at Rosevalley Farm, Duffus
David married Ann Dunwoodie in 1856 and died on 30 May 1889 at 174 High St Elgin
No info on Alexander as yet or the elusive parents!
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scotdownsouth
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Having re-read through this whole thread again I will have a closer look at the Janet Burgess pauper aged 64 living in Cummingston in the 1851 census as stated above. May be able to trace her death details as well if it is the correct person.
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flst
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I think that the 1841 census details that Forfarian quoted will turn out to be your Janet & daughter. I hope you can find poor relief records for Janet as they will provide a great deal of information.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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scotdownsouth
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Thank you for that information. I have checked out the census record on SP and it does indeed look like the correct Janet albeit with the slight surname difference of Burghess but I think I am getting used to this sort of thing now!
She is listed as 45 and Elspet as 7 (not 5 as above) which would tie in with the birth date of Elspet that I found earlier of 4 Jan 1834. No sign of Alexander who would be 10 by this time although I have found an Alexander also working as an Arg Lab in another part of the census and also no sign of eldest child David who would be 14 by this time but may also have been working elsewhere (poss sighting as domestic servant if memory serves by Gadget)
Thanks again, will keep looking for Thomas Mitchell father of all 3 children.
George
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