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Bona
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Need some help please.
John Frank Christina born 18 November 1848 came to NZ from Trento, Northern Italy( then Austria) in 1868, married in 1884 in Dunedin, naturalised in 1887, had a family .He left home and family from Onehunga Wharf in about December 1913 bound for Australia??To which port do not know!He had said he was going to go back to Italy to see his mother, so may have gone there later.Letters where received until 1916 from Australia then nothing was heard from him again.I searched most online indexes, passenger lists etc for NZ and OZ for him from 1913 on. Any suggestions please for passenger lists going to Oz from Onehunga and for leaving Australia for Europe/Uk 1916 on. Possibly he was interred as an alien in Australia?
Love to here your ideas
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Lucy2
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Hi Bona
Looking at the NZ Marriage Index, there is just the one marriage for the surname CHRISTINA - 1884 John CHRISTINA to Bridget HASSEN - obviously the John you mention.
However, the NZ Birth Index records (and again, the only listings for "CHRISTINA") - children in 1885 & 1887 whose parents are given as John Charles CHRISTINA and Bridget. (Also 1888 - Ellen May CHRISTINA - parents listed as John and Bridget).
* Is John Frank CHRISTINA, the same person as "John Charles" ??
Lu
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Bona
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Hi Lu,
Thanks for reply. Yes it is the same person ,must be an error somewhere along the line.The surname after a time became Christini , I think the first three or four of Bridget and John's children were Christina and after that they became Christini. Charles Albert is my grandfather, but I have noticed the date for his birth in the NZ Birth Ihdex is incorrect . It says 1941 but it shold be 1898. John was always known as Christina. His name in Italian was Giovanni or Johan Francesco Cristina or De Cristina.
Bona
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Bona
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John Christina left NZ in Dec 1912, not 1913 as stated in previous post.
Bona
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Lucy2
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Hi Bona
Unfortunately, there are very few passenger lists available for trans-Tasman voyages, at any time (as you have probably already learned ?) 
Sometimes the names of departing passengers were listed in the shipping columns of NZ newspapers ... or they might have appeared also in OZ newspapers under "shipping arrivals", but this was by no means, the "norm". Often too, it was only the names of cabin passengers who were mentioned, and those travelling steerage class weren't noted.
There are currently no newspapers online, which cover Auckland for the year you are seeking. So can only really suggest that it may be worth doing a search on the Australian newspapers site ?
Lu
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Bona
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Hi lu,
Yes, it is quite frustrating that there are no passenger lists for this particular period!
John was 63 when he went to Australia, I wonder if he ever applied for the pension over there or if he would have been entitled to one? Was there a reciprocal arrangement back then between NZ and Australia??
He had about 200 pounds with him when he left though I guess that would have lasted some time back then!!
Does anyone on board have any knowledge about the pension system back then?Are there lists for example.
I thought when WWI broke out any one who had previously been a citizen of a country allied with Germany, even if they were Naturalised was considered an ailen enemy???Thoughts please?
Bona
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althea
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just as an aside for spelling
in the 1915 war census, the family name is spelt CHRISTINI
eg, Daniel and Frank have mother Mrs B Christini listed as NOK
living Mt Albert, Auckland
Bye
Althea
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Bona
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Thanks Althea,
Yes I have those records
Bye for now
Bona
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Bona
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Hi Lu,
 must have been having a bad few days!!Yes I did mean interned!!
As my g.grandfather had been an Austrian citizen I thought the info on the following http://www.geocities.com/somesprisonersnz/ may have applied to naturalised aliens in Australia as well??
Bona
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Lucy2
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Hi Bona
Thanks for the link - yes, I was aware previously of the information it contained.
Obviously the NZ laws/ regulations, wouldn't have had a bearing on John CHRISTINA once he had departed the country ... but it should be noted that the (NZ) Registration of Aliens Act (1917) did not require (already) naturalised persons to register as aliens. You'd need to check exactly what laws, applied in Australia.
I note you've said that John CHRISTINA was born Northern Italy at a time when it was under the governance of Austria.
* What nationality did he give on his NZ naturalisation papers ?
Lu
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Bona
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Hi Lu,
The naturalisation application says, ' the memorialist was born at Austria, Town of Tyrol '.
Interesting about the about the old age pension lists. Maybe they will be available in the future for viewing.
Bona
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