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Topic: Thos Wakelin birth not on GRO record, completed thank you. (Read 291 times)
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kooky
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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If you look in Family Search, there is a Thomas Wakelin b. 1848, Loughboro in the 1881 census in Nottingham with wife Agnes and 2 sons.
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suzard
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this looks like him with parents
1851
mansfield Rd
hamlet of Carrington
Basford
Notts
George Wakelin Head m 40 Lace maker Barrow on Soar leicestershire
Elizabeth wife 40 Normanton Notts
Emma daughter 15 Mender of lace Basford Notts
George son 14 Basford Notts
Francis son 7 Loughboro leics
Elizabeth daughter 6 Loughboro Leic
Thomas son 4 Loughboroiugh Leics
Mary daughter 12 Clay cross Derby
Ann daughter 2 Beeston Notts
HO107 2127 384 39
Elizabeth 's p.o.b. is given as Normanton Notts on this census - it should be Normanton leics
Registration -although it began sept qtr 1837 it was not compulsory for some years. Most did register but some did not . There should be a baptism.
I 'll have a look to see if the other children are registered
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ivanidea
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Hello Gladyseva
Possible marriage ex IGI for George and Elizabeth
Marriage: 19 October 1830
All Saints, Loughborough, Leicester
George Wakelin
Elizabeth Measures
Ivan
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Regn was always compulsory, just not enforced with fines until 1874.
Prior to that, local Registrars et al were 'incented' to chase up registrations....
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suzard
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Regn was always compulsory, just not enforced with fines until 1874.
Prior to that, local Registrars et al were 'incented' to chase up registrations....
Several sites -including ancestry learning centre- give the similar information re Civil registration
A voluntary system of civil registration was introduced 1 July 1837 which also allowed marriages to take place at registrar's ofices .
1871 Registration was mandatory
I think registrars were paid incentives to encourage BMD's to be registered
Anyway - I can't find the birth reg of the Loughboro born children -I'll widen the search
I'll also post 1841/61 census shortly
George changed occupation on each census - 1841 Boatman/1851 lace ,aker/1861 labourer
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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I'll leave it to Stan to quote the actual Acts of Parliament 
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suzard
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I'll leave it to Stan to quote the actual Acts of Parliament
LOL!!!
I'm sure Stan will know
I can only go by tutorials etc on various sites -which are not always correct.
back to the Wakelin children
I cannot find a birth reg at the correct time for the Loughborough orn ones - there are some with similar names but years out with birth
I can't find Thomas' baptism either
here's the 1841 census of the family
1841
Bridge St Loughborough leics
George Wakelin 30 Boatman
Elizth 30
Charlotte 5
Emma 5
George 4
Mary 2
all b in county
(there is also Sarah Heggs and 4 children living separately but in the same dwelling)
HO107 595 8 18
1861
East Place
Carrington
basford notts
George Wakelin Head M 50 Labourer Barrow on Soar Leics
Elizabeth wife 50 Normanton Leics
Francis son 18 Lace maker Loughborough leics
Elizabeth daughter 16 Cotton Winder Loughborough Leics
Thomas son 13 Threader Loughborough leics
Ann daughter 10 Cotton Cleaner Beeston Notts
Harriett daughter 7 scholat Carrington Notts
and net door is son george
George Wakelin head M 24 Lace maker Hyson green Notts
Ellen wife 22 Carringhton notts
Alice daughter 8mths Carrington Notts
RG9 2429 114 10
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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from Guy Etchells site:
XIX. And be it enacted, That the Father or Mother of any Child born, or the Occupier of every House or Tenement in England in which any Birth or Death shall happen, after the said First day of March, may, within Forty-two Days next after the Day of such Birth or within Five Days after the Day of such Death respectively, give Notice of such Birth or Death to the Registrar of the District ; and in case any new-born Child or any dead Body shall be found exposed, the Overseers of the Poor in the Case of the new-born Child, and the Coroner in the case of the dead Body, shall forthwith give Notice and Information thereof, and of the Place where such Child or dead Body was found, to the Registrar ; and for the Purpose of this Act the Master or Keeper of every Gaol, Prison, or House of Correction, or Workhouse, Hospital, or Lunatic Asylum, or public or charitable Institution, shall be deemed the Occupier thereof.
XX. And be it enacted, That the Father or Mother of every child born in England after the said First Day of March, or in case of the Death, Illness, Absence, or Inability of the Father or Mother, the Occupier of the House or Tenement in which such Child shall have been born, shall, within Forty-two Days next after the Day of every such Birth, give Information, upon being requested so to do, to the said Registrar, according to the best of his or her Knowledge and Belief, of the several Particulars hereby required to be known and registered touching the Birth of such Child.
XXI. And be it enacted, That if any Child of an English Parent shall be born at Sea on Board of a British Vessel, the Captain or Commanding Officer of the Vessel on board of which the said Child shall have been born shall forthwith make a Minute of the several Particulars herein-before required to be inserted in the register touching the Birth of such Child, so far as the same be known, and the Name of the Vessel wherein the Birth took place, and shall, on the Arrival of such a Vessel in any Port of the United Kingdom, or by any other sooner Opportunity, send a Certificate of the said Minute through the Post Office to the Registrar General, who shall file the same, and enter a Copy thereof under his hand in a Book to be kept for that Purpose in "The General Register Office", to be called the "Marine Register Book", and shall keep the said Book with the other Registers, according to the Provisions of this Act.
when you think about it, and read the other stuff in the act about appointing Registrars, setting up Districts, establishing the GRO etc; all that infrastructure was for a good reason about understanding population trends etc etc - so unlikely to be voluntary ....
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/acts/actind.htm
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ivanidea
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Possible birth records for some of the children of George and Elizabeth.
Births Jun 1843
WAKELING Francis Loughbro' 15 149
Births Dec 1844
WAKELIN Elizabeth Loughboro 15 154
Births Dec 1849
WAKELIN Mary Ann Loughbro 15 131
Births Sep 1850
Wakelin Anne Basford 15 4[6_]9
Births Mar 1854
Wakelin Harriet Basford 7b 113
Nothing obvious on BMD for Thomas and no baptism record on the usual on-line sources. The best bet might be to obtain the birth certificate of Francis or Harriet. The application can be qualified by giving father’s name to reduce potential cost. The mother’s maiden name on the certificate for either birth should provide Thomas's mother's maiden name (“Measures”?) as indications are that Thomas was brother to both.
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suzard
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Wonder if this is his registration
Birth freeBMD
Male Wakelin
Dec qtr 1845
Loughborough
15 126
they may have not decided on a name when registered - or he could have been registered shortly after birth as he was not expected to survive??
disregard the above - there is a death reg
Male Wakelin Dec qtr 1845 Loughorough 15 91
so looks like he was forgotten -or very badly transcribed???
Suz
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trish1120
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Another possible Marriage from IGI;
As daughter Emma is born about 1835 Notts.
George WAKELIN
Elizabeth CHAMBERLAIN
02 September 1833, Barton in Fabis, Nottingham, England
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ivanidea
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It looks as though Charlotte (the eldest daughter of George and Elizabeth) may have died 1847:
Deaths Jun 1847
Loughbro' Vol. 15 Page 113
Wakelin, Charlotte
If this is Thomas's sister, her death certificate could give an indication of the family's address at that time which is close to Thomas's birth date.
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) or write in but they need information which I simply don't possess yet (address of birth, mother's maiden name). The other option is possible baptism. Any help would be really appreciated. Cheers, gladyseva
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