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Topic: Whordley - Staffordshire or Shropshire (Read 237 times)
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JoTH
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I am trying to trace information on James Whordley (Wordley, Wardley). He married in 1847 Shropshire to Elizabeth Underwood and on the marriage cert his father is named as James Whordley. I would like to find out about his parents, I believe him to be born c1823 in Dawley/Stirchley depending on what census you look at. I have a possible sighting of him in 1841census with a widow mother, Elizabeth and sister Eliza Pitt. I also have a possible IGI but with parents James and Jane (married in Shropshire) but James jnr christened at Saint Peter Or Collegiate, Wolverhampton, Stafford, also sister Mary Ann christened there but can find no Eliza
Can anyone help?!!
Thanks
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Arranroots
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Hi Joanna
It is best just to post once for the information, in order to avoid duplication.
Have you searched for a will for the chap you think is the father? Do you know what occupations he and James jr followed? Does the marriage certificate say that James snr is deceased - as implied by your 1841 census finding? Can you find the mother Elizabeth and sister Eliza in later censuses and is the James you saw in 1841 with them? Does his occupation fit with the later censuses and/or marriage cert? Alternatively have you found the James and Jane pairing on any census?
For James jr's birth you will need a baptism look-up: can you do this yourself or do you need someone local to help?
Please let us know what you've already tried and maybe locals can give you a hand with the rest.
Kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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JoTH
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Hi Arranroots
I wasn't sure that Shropshire folk would look at the Staffordshire and vice versa 
I've tried to answer your questions in order:
Occupations on marriage certs: James snr - Labourer (nor marked deceased), James jnr - Stock-taker. James jnr in 51 census - labourer in iron works, 61 census - furnaceman, death cert 1867 - stocktaker.
Eliza is living in Shropshire with husband Thomas in the 51 and found a possible death for mother Elizabeth in 1850. In the 51 James jnr is living with wife and in-laws (he is down as Walley). I have no doubt that I have the correct James jnr in the 51, 61 and marriage cert due to his wife.
The census details I've had for a while but no longer have access to Ancestry to check further details, however there does seem to be a consistancy of a James Wardle and Jane Wardle b1801, living in Staffordshire in the 41. There is also a few James Wardle but born 1816 which I think would be too early for James jnr. There doesn't seem to be anything in Shropshire except what has already been found.
I would appreciate if anyone locally could look up the baptism for James jnr, which might prove who his mother was if she's listed.
regards
Joanna
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CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
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1841 entry for Wolverhampton - North Seisdon and East Cuttlestone and South Offlow. Willnhall or Millnhall Lane
I personally do not think the surname is Whordeley. The image looks more like Whambley or Whorbley. It is a definite b not a d
James Whordeley 50 stone miner not b in county
Jane 50 not b in county
Mary Ann 15 born in county
George Badger 13 not b in county - stone miner
HO107 Piece 999/12 Folio 31 Page 8
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CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
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The 1851 entry for Tipton Staffs
Thomas Bailey 35 b Dudley Worcs
Mary Ann 24 or 26 b Staffs Wolverhampton
Ann 13 b Madeley Shropshire
Female baby (unnamed) 1 month
Jane Wordley widow 54 visitor b Tipton
HO107 Piece 2029 Folio 545 Page 39
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JoTH
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Well I've spent most of the day on this as have others and still at the back of my mind is that James jnr is listed as born and living in Shropshire in the census and got married in Shropshire, so despite not being able to find anything other than the 41 living with mother Elizabeth, I'm not sure Staffordshire can be right.
I'm going to put a request in Shropshire asking for someone to look up his baptism and Elizabeth's marriage so unless you have anything you feel would help, I'll finish this thread.
Thanks for all your help
Joanna
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Arranroots
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Hi Jo
Thanks for keeping this updated - please let us know on here how you get on (maybe you could post a link to the new thread when you make the request and say on the new thread that this one exists too?)
I will leave this open for you to update
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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