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Beaujolaiswine
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Folks
I have hit a brick wall in trying to find out the names of my great grandmothers parents.
My great grand mother was according to her marriage certificate Mary Ann Watts when age 20 on 11th January 1880 she married my great grand father John Goodey at St. Pancras Parish church. She gives her father as Frederick Watts (deceased) a tailor. Witnesses Robert Goodey and Elizabeth Watts
According to the 1881 Census John Goodey a baker aged 31 born in Islington abt. 1850 was living at 3 Ann Street, St. James Clerkenwell (Islington area) with his wife Mary A. Goodey aged 22 born abt. 1859 in Lambeth, Surrey and their son John aged 1 born abt. 1880 in St. Pancras, Middlesex.
If the above two records are correct this would I believe mean that Mary Ann Watts was born between January 1859 and April 1859, i.e. married shortly before her 21st birthday.
The only Census record linking a Frederick Watts with a Mary Watts is as follows.
According to the 1871 living at 2 Henry Place (Parish of St. Silas Islington London)
Frederick Watts 60 born abt. 1811 in Warminster Wiltshire a Tailor
Mary Watts 60 born abt. 1811 in Islington
with their children???
Mary Watts 15 born abt. 1855
Thomas Watts 7 born abt 1864
Betsey Watts 12 born abt. 1859
Minnie Watts 10 born abt. 1861
All children born in Lambeth, Surrey. The parents apper to be too old to be the parents. Possibly they were the grand parents?
Unfortunately this record gives the wrong year of birth for my Mary Ann Watts who is unlikely to have twice made her age (at time of marriage and 1881 Census) 4 years younger, especially as she would I believe at the time of marriage had to have her parents permission to get married.
Somewhat confusingly my great grandmother has given different former names on the birth certificates on her children John in 1880 when she gave her former name as Watts, Henry in 1881 when she gave her former name as Hunt, Louisa in 1888 when she gave her former name as Hunt and lastly on the birth of my grandfather George, when she gave her former name as Watts. In each birth the father was the same John Goodey (Goody on Henry and George's certificates) is described as a Baker. Also I know much about Louisa's life (she was always known as Aunt Minn) and know I have the correct birth certificate for her.
In addition all 4 children appear with their mother in the 1901 Census where Mary Goody a widow aged 40 born abt. 1861 profession charing, was living at 57 Midhope Buildings (Midhope Street?) St. Pancras, Middlesex with her children John Goody aged 20 born abt 1881 profession a Carman, Henry Goody aged 18 born abt. 1883 also a Carman, Minnie aged 12 born abt. 1889 and George aged 10 born abt 1891. All including Mary born in St. Pancras London.
I have also obtained a birth Certificate for a Mary Ann Hunt on the basis that my great grandmothers father might have died and her mother married again to a Frederick Watts. There was only one Mary Ann Hunt born in Lambeth (taken from the 1881 Census) that I could find on Free BMD who according to the birth cert was born on 4th Oct 1859 in Gipsy Hill, Norwood to parents John Hunt and Mary Ann Hunt formerly Lisney.
So far I haven't been able to find a second marriage for Mary Ann Hunt ne Lisney to a Frederick Watts.
I would appreciate any help to unravel this mystery would be gratefully appreciated.
best wishes
Richard
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Garrett (particularly in Hampshire), Miller, Goodey/Goody (particularly in London, Middlesex and South Oxfordshire), Phillips
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Just Moi
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Hi there,
Umm, I have a great grandmother, Mary Ann, whose maiden name was HUNT, - no I am not suggesting there's any connection.... BUT
On various documents that she signed, depending on who transcribes them, her nee name (Hunt) has been mis-transcribed - one of those variations being WATT (the fancy flourish of the "H" causes that to be mis-read as a "W", and of course her cross stroke for the "t" often stretched back to cause the "n" to be mistaken as a double "t", and her end flourish causes the "s", thus the "Watts".
Hope I am not side-tracking you.
Cheers, JM
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ivanidea
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Hello Richard
Did you not previously establish that your great grandmother Mary Ann Watts was born in the Lambeth Workhouse, Princes Road, Lambeth on 9 Jul 1855 (mother Ann Watts, no father named)?
Regards
Ivan
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ivanidea
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Hello Richard
Thanks for the explanation.
Do you have a death record/certificate for Mary Ann?
Ivan
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ivanidea
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Hello, again. Richard
Have you tracked (or, on the basis of what I have seen so far, "tried to track"!) either Frederick Watts (born Warminster) or Ann Watts (the mother of Mary Ann born 1855) though the Census records.
As I'm sure you have realised, it could be that Frederick is Mary Ann's grandfather but none of these "Watts" seem easy to trace in the various Censuses.
Ivan
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