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Dougalgeorge
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William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« on: Tuesday 15 September 09 16:59 UTC (UK) »

Hello to everyone.

I wonder if anyone can help with a query I have? My Great Grandad, William Milne was listed on the 1911 census living in Gosforth in Newcastle upon Tyne with his family.

William Milne, 38, cartman general, born Stonehaven, Cumberland.
Joan Milne, 32, born Hebburn, Durham
James, 8 (and eleven twelfths, very precise !) born Hebburn, Durham
William, 5 (and seven twelfths) born Gosforth, Northumberland
Ella Robina, 3, born Gosforth, Northumberland

The `Cumberland` is written in a different handwriting so I was wondering if whoever has added this made a mistake in writing it?
Any help would be great.
Tracey
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 17:05 UTC (UK) »

on the 1901 he is listed as born scotland
RG13/4744/77/38.
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 17:10 UTC (UK) »

did he have a sister named margaret born scotland 1870 and mother jane born scotland 1841
if so he is again listed in 1891 as being born scotland.
so birthplace cumberland would be wrong
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 17:22 UTC (UK) »

Hi and thanks for the help.

I have just started looking into my Dad`s side of the family so am starting from the very begining !!

I have also found in the 1891 census:-

John Robbie, 24, married, born Scotland
Margaret Robbie, 21,wife, born Scotland
Jane Milne, (age unreadable) mother in law, widow, born Scotland
William Milne, 17, single, born Scotland

So maybe that is the family. More digging and delving needed I think !!

Thanks again
Kindest regards
Tracey
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 17:22 UTC (UK) »

and this is the only one i can find that fits perfectly with the other census entries already given
1881
scotland census
william milne age 39. b. kincardinshire. occ. clothbaler(packer. head
jane age 40. b. aberdeen. wife.
margaret age 11. b. ditto. daughter.
william age 7. b. ditto. son.
joan age 5. b. ditto. daughter.
living at;32,up denburn,old machar,aberdeenshire.
reg.dist. old machar.
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 17 September 09 17:12 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Wozzle. I think that`s them  Smiley

I have been doing some internet wandering in the last couple of days.  I think my next step is to trawl through the MI to see if I can find the elder William`s ( born 1842) death. He was alive in 1881 census but Jane was a widow in 1891.

Kindest regards
Tracey
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 18:50 UTC (UK) »

Hi again everyone  Smiley

I think I have been looking at the wrong family. This is definitely correct:-

William Milne, 38, cartman general, born Stonehaven, Cumberland.
Joan Milne, 32, born Hebburn, Durham
James, 8 (and eleven twelfths, very precise !) born Hebburn, Durham
William, 5 (and seven twelfths) born Gosforth, Northumberland
Ella Robina, 3, born Gosforth, Northumberland

I have just got the MC for William and Joan. When William and Joan were married in 1901, his father is William Milne (deceased) a farmer.

I have found two possible births in 1873 where the fathers are William Milne, and are listed as farmers:-

William Milne born 25/4/1873 at Windford, Cookney. Mother Isabella Stott
William Milne born 27/10/1873 at South Altons, Nigg. Mother Mary Elmslie


Any help, hints or pointers in the right direction gratefully received. Smiley
Tracey
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 15:20 UTC (UK) »

HI Tracey  Smiley

there is a wyndford farm approx. half way between cookney and stonehaven
on modern maps , this is to the north of stonehaven
did you get this information from william milne's birth certificate(25/04/1873) ?

1881 wyndford fetteresso kincardineshire
william milne 35 farmer(66 acres) born fetteresso kcd
isabella milne 33 wife born fetteresso kcd
william milne 7 son born fetteresso kcd
isabella stott 74 mother in law retired farmers widow born banchory duk(?) kcd

scotlandspeople has william milne , senior , farmer , wyndford parish of
fetteresso , died 20/03/1896 at wyndford intestate(no will)
inventory(of estate ?) stonehaven sherriff court

although not proof positive it does match what you have so far

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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 16:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi Ev  Smiley
I went onto SP and looked at 1873 births and there were 4. I know from William`s WC that his father was also called William and was a farmer and was deceased. So of the 4 SP results, only 2 have William`s as father. One in Cookney and one in Nigg.

The one in Nigg has the mother as Mary Elmslie. The Cookney one - Isabella Stott.


Do you have any ideas how I could work out which is the right family? I have credits left on SP, it`s just knowing where to look and at what  Huh

Thanks for the help. I need every bit I can get !!!
Regards
Tracey
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 15 October 09 11:56 UTC (UK) »

what you have so far born stonehaven scotland c1873  , father william(died before 1901) who was a farmer that 1881 census seems to fit very well
proving it might not be easy  Sad
looks like isabella milne(nee stott) died 1893 cookney KCD born c1846
if the father william died 1896 it might be worth looking at his death cert. to
see who signed it off

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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 15 October 09 12:35 UTC (UK) »

Hi Tracey

A few questions.
What date was William's marriage in 1901?
What was his address at time of marriage - and his occupation ?
What was Joan's maiden name and her father's name - and her address and occupation ?
What were the names of the witnesses ?

Have you seen William's death certificate - and if so what what details were given for his parents names or occupations ?


Susan.
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 15 October 09 15:20 UTC (UK) »

Hi Susan,  Smiley

William married on 27/6/1901 at the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Jarrow, Co Durham
His address at time of marriage was 6 Swindon Street, Hebburn, Co Durham
His occupation was cartman
His father was William Milne, a farmer (deceased at time of marriage)
Joan`s maiden name was Robertson
Her Father`s name was Alexander Robertson , a ship plater(deceased at time of marriage)
Her address was 9 St Andrews Street, Hebburn, Co Durham
No occupation for Joan (but in the 1901 census, they were both living at Swindon St, William was a boarder and Joan a domestic housekeeper)
The witnesses were James Robertson and Ann Beaton
James Robertson was Joan`s brother and he married Ann Beaton in 1906 (South Shields, Q3, 10a 1472)
I don`t have William`s death cert. I assume he died in the NE of England. Do you think it would help?


Regards
Tracey
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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 15 October 09 15:26 UTC (UK) »

Hello to Ev as well, I seem to have missed your last message when I answered Susan  Roll Eyes

what you have so far born stonehaven scotland c1873 , father william(died before 1901) who was a farmer that 1881 census seems to fit very well
proving it might not be easy Sad
looks like isabella milne(nee stott) died 1893 cookney KCD born c1846
if the father william died 1896 it might be worth looking at his death cert. to
see who signed it off

Would William Seniors` death cert be on SP?  I`ve only just started working with it, and don`t exactly know how it works.

Kindest regards
Tracey
 

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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 15 October 09 15:39 UTC (UK) »

And another thing that might make a difference....but I`m too stupid to work it out !!!!
Huh
Joan`s parents and older sibs were born in Scotland:-

1881 census
Alex Robertson, 35, born Scotland, ship plater
Rebecca R. Milne 36, born Scotland
Ann, 7, daughter, born Scotland
James, 6, son, born Scotland
Isabella, 4, daughter, born Scotland
JOAN , 2, daughter, born Hebburn, Co Durham
Living at 31 Hood St, Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow

Thanks for helping me, before my head explodes !!

Regards
Tracey

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Re: William Milne born Stonehaven 1873
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 15 October 09 16:32 UTC (UK) »

hi tracey

there is the following death on scotlandspeople
william milne died 1896 cookney kincardine born c1845

now if we get lucky his son william may have signed it off
did your william milne sign his marriage cert. ?
could the 2 signatures be the same ?

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