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Topic: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!" (Read 774 times)
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BarbaraH
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I'm looking for a death for John Atkinson, tailor, probably in the 1840s.
On the 1841 census he is at Grove St, Leeds Town (HO107/1349/10 enumeration district 32). Can't see him on the 1851.
If he died in that area of Leeds between 1841 and 1851, which sub-registration district would his death most likely fall in? I don't know old Leeds geography and there are 16 John Atkinsons to pick from on the bmds! 
Thanks
 Barbara
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Newton Heath/Failsworth: Greenwood, McGibbon, Fishwick, Berry LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry CHES/DERBYS: Holt, Goodwin, Grant, Vernon LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS/LINCS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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BarbaraH
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Thanks Tati,
That brings the total down to seven! Still, they can't all be tailors surely ... 
Barbara
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Newton Heath/Failsworth: Greenwood, McGibbon, Fishwick, Berry LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry CHES/DERBYS: Holt, Goodwin, Grant, Vernon LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS/LINCS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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dee melody
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Hello BarbaraH, is it possible this is your gentleman?
1851 Census
HO107 / 2321 / 1114 / 37
66 Grove Street, Leeds
John Atkinson / Head / 36 / Tailor b. Thirsk?
Jemima / wife / 42 b. York
1861 Census
RG09 / 3392 / 16 / 25
66 Grove Street , Leeds
John Atkinson / head / 46 / Tailor b. Leeds
Jemima / wife / 50 b. Leeds
Possible Marriage
John Atkinson / Jemima Dennis
March 1846 / Leeds
Vol No: 23 / Page No: 328
I have not looked any further in case this is the wrong person. Although in saying that, what are the odds there are 2 Tailors by the same name?
Dee
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dee melody
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BarbaraH, I have had a look further on - it's sad.
1871 Census
RG10 / 4564 / 107 / 21
No 2 Grove Street, Leeds
John Atkinson / Widower / 56 / Tailor / b. SandHutton
Death
Jemma Atkinson / Age 61 / Leeds
Dec 1879
Vol No: 9b / Page No: 362
1881 Census
RG11 / 4524 / 98 / 1
Leeds Union Workhouse, Beckett Street, Leeds
John Atkinson / 66 / Inmate / Tailor - No Occ / b. SandHutton
Death
John Atkinson / Age 66 / Leeds
Sept 1881
Vol No: 9b / Page No: 224
Dee
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMelody: Carrick, Attymass, Ballina, County Mayo Cassidy:Mayo/Leitrim Granaghan: Crossmolina, County Mayo Mullens: Kensington, London |
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BarbaraH
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Wow thank you Dee, I hadn't seen that one before! That has to be the same one that's on Grove St in 1841. What a sad decline he had.
The John Atkinson I'm looking for is father of Ann Atkinson b. around 1830. Ann married William Thomas Brownridge at St Marks Woodhouse in 1853. She gave 'Nether Green' as address and father's name John Atkinson, tailor. (I asked for help on Rootschat with the Nether Green address a while ago
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0747/
The family on Grove St in 1841 looked the best bet for Ann's family as they had a tailor called John and a girl called Ann, but as always, the ages and relationships weren't clear. Now you've cleared John's age up, at least that bit's certain
IGI has a John Atkinson christening at Sand Hutton 1815 - that makes him a bit young to be Ann's father at 14 or 15, but not impossible I suppose... hum. Have I got the right family here I wonder?
Barbara
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Newton Heath/Failsworth: Greenwood, McGibbon, Fishwick, Berry LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry CHES/DERBYS: Holt, Goodwin, Grant, Vernon LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS/LINCS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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dee melody
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Hello Barbara, well, that's blown that one out of the water!!!! 
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dee melody
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Barbara, I will go back and re-check for you. The reason I gave the above gentleman, was because I have a disc of Leeds Burials. I checked it for a John Atkinson using the above details on your original enquiry. I will have another look for you. by the way, the above comment is not meant to be offensive. Obviously there must have been more than 1 Atkinson in Leeds who was a Tailor - isn't it always the way.
Dee
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BarbaraH
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Oh Dee, thank you so much - it does seem to be the one of the commonest names in Leeds! Even eliminating one or two would be a help. I really appreciate the time you're taking.
It's choose-a-school season for those of us with 10/11 year olds, so I'll be out for a while, panicking at a high school Open Evening  So take your time with this, there's no rush. I'll check back with you later
Barbara
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Newton Heath/Failsworth: Greenwood, McGibbon, Fishwick, Berry LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry CHES/DERBYS: Holt, Goodwin, Grant, Vernon LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS/LINCS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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dee melody
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Barbara, have you ever found Ann on the 1841 Census? Are we searching in the Leeds area? Do you know her Mother's name? I've also checked all the John's in Leeds - the closest being: (don't put too much faith in this) Assuming he had not died before the Census night.
1841
HO107 / 1346 / 10-46 / 20
Myrtle Street, Leeds
John Atkinson / Head / 65 / Cloth Draper?
Ann / dau / 14
I have not listed the whole family - it's just so you can have a look at this entry. I'm off to check some other sources.
I'll stick to Genealogy - hope you had an enlightening evening!!!!
Not sure if you are aware of this website as well:
http://www.yorkshirebmd.info/
Dee
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« Last Edit: Wednesday 16 September 09 22:02 UTC (UK) by dee melody »
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMelody: Carrick, Attymass, Ballina, County Mayo Cassidy:Mayo/Leitrim Granaghan: Crossmolina, County Mayo Mullens: Kensington, London |
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dee melody
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Hello Barbara. Here's where I'm at: I have searched all John Atkinson's/Tailor on 1841 Census in Leeds with a daughter Ann. They are both listed above. Without knowing Ann's mother's name or if she had any siblings, I don't know where else to look. I wonder if John died before the 1841 Census? I have had a look at website YorkshieBMD and there are 2 deaths in 1847 & 1848. I wonder if you contacted them and asked them to check both deaths to see if one of them was a Tailor. I don't know if they would ask for money!!! I rechecked the Leeds Burials Disc. There are 2 Burials (1847 & 1848) at Beckett DStreet Cemetery - but they do not give the age of the men - I was trying to narrow it down a bit!! Do you get the feeling that I'm 'clutching at straws' here?
I look forward to your comments. Hope the evening went well.
Dee
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BarbaraH
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Thanks again for all your time & effort Dee,
it does feel like clutching at straws doesn't it! But at least we've discounted the chap from Sand Hutton, which has stopped me chasing the wrong people.. sigh.
I probably ought to go back to the other details on Ann's marriage cert, which really is all I have to go on - father John, tailor; her address at marriage, Nether Green; witness names W H Ripley and Sarah Gill. I've looked up Nether Green on the 1851 census, but couldn't see anything that made a connection. I don't suppose the Burial Disc has addresses for the two Johns does it?
I quite like the the cloth draper in Myrtle St though - if Ann's husband was an upholsterer, he must have bought his cloth from somewhere. Might be how they met!
I'll keep on thinking; big thanks once again  despite no definite answers, its been very helpful & I feel I know Leeds a bit better now
Barbara
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Newton Heath/Failsworth: Greenwood, McGibbon, Fishwick, Berry LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry CHES/DERBYS: Holt, Goodwin, Grant, Vernon LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS/LINCS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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dee melody
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Barbara, have a look at this and tell me what you think. It MIGHT be relative to my reply no. 10
This is the web site:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Leeds/Leeds29Dry.html
Woollen Cloth Manufrs,
•Akeroyd Abraham
•Appleby Benjamin
• Atkinson John
•Austin Thomas
•Booth James
Tailors,
Marked thus * are also Drapers.
I've only highlighted these few, its a huge document. What I'm trying to say is maybe the Draper chap could be a possibility. I do not want to send you off in the wrong direction.
No addresses on Burial Disc.
Dee
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMelody: Carrick, Attymass, Ballina, County Mayo Cassidy:Mayo/Leitrim Granaghan: Crossmolina, County Mayo Mullens: Kensington, London |
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BarbaraH
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Oh Dee that is interesting.. following on from that I found this on the 1851:
1851
HO107/2320/416
47 Myrtle St
Mary Ann Atkinson, head, 47, unmarried, dressmaker
Ann Atkinson, Ille. Dau, 24, unmarried, dressmaker
there's also an Elizabeth Atkinson aged 8, lodging with the Wilson family at no 52 Myrtle St! 
If this is my Ann, maybe John was her grandfather, not her father, and she's used his details on the marriage cert.
Next question - was Myrtle St near Nether Green, where my Ann was living in 1853?
Barbara
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Newton Heath/Failsworth: Greenwood, McGibbon, Fishwick, Berry LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry CHES/DERBYS: Holt, Goodwin, Grant, Vernon LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS/LINCS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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