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Topic: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!" (Read 775 times)
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dee melody
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Hello Barbara, have just got in from picking hubby up from airport - as it's late and my eyes are tired, I will check the street map plan in the morning and let you know. Looks interesting doesn't it.
Dee
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libby9
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Hi Barbara,
I've been following this thread with interest as I helped you on your other post - looking for William Brownridge and Ann Atkinson in 1851.
If you don't know of this site I think you'll find it both interesting and useful.
http://www.leodis.net/searchResults.aspx?LOCID=0&DECADE=0&YEAR=&KEYWORDS=nether%20green&KEYWORDS2=&KEYWORDS3=&ANDOR2=&ANDOR3=&RECSPAGE=5&VIEW=1&CURRPAGE=1
Good luck with your search.
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Hargreaves (Halifax, Leeds, Huddersfield) Armitage, Cock, Sharp(e), Womersley, Turner, Graham (Huddersfield) Priestly (York, Leeds) Cragg, Sutcliffe (Halifax)
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libby9
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Hi Barbara and Dee,
I'm sorry to put a damper on things............ but, I've looked at the 1841 census return and John Atkinson was a cloth DRESSER, not draper (or so it looks to me) In old style handwriting where there's double 'S's', the first 'S's' were written long rather like small case 'F's' are written today. A cloth dresser cut cloth, he wasn't a tailor.
Not trying to spoil things, honest, I want you to follow the right folks.
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Hargreaves (Halifax, Leeds, Huddersfield) Armitage, Cock, Sharp(e), Womersley, Turner, Graham (Huddersfield) Priestly (York, Leeds) Cragg, Sutcliffe (Halifax)
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BarbaraH
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Hi Libby, nice to talk to you again  and thanks for the pointers. Very helpful, love the photo site!
Think this is what we have so far:
early 1853, William Brownridge at Scott St, Woodhouse and Ann Atkinson at Nether Green, Woodhouse
1851, best fit for Ann is the servant at 27 Springfield Place, Woodhouse, on both age and location. Next best for location, the one on Myrtle St, although the age is a bit out.
1841, best fit for Ann WAS the one on Grove St, until we realised that John the Tailor was probably too young to be her father.
Then the one on Myrtle St with father or grandfather John. I think I agree with Libby, he is a dresser not a draper - but then if Ann was born out of wedlock, she might have invented the datails on her marriage cert anyway!
Other 1841 sightings of Ann without a father called John include one on Woodhouse Lane with siblings (?) Sarah, Charles and David; then another on Benns Lane (I think) next to Woodhouse Lane, with sibling Thomas and possible grandfather (age 65) Henry.
There are 19 Ann Atkinsons born to father John on IGI Yorkshire. Best fit looks like the one christened at Armley on 18 Jan 1829, parents John and Mary. Would be great if he was a tailor!
I might send for the birth cert/certs of Ann and William's oldest children to see what addresses they have - expensive option, but I'm not sure what else there is to go on..
 Barbara
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Ecowizard
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Hi Barbara & Dee
Re Nether Green, Leeds See following sight of photos of Leeds
http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2003317_22253054
It shows a photo of Nether Green Chapel in 1963 from Craven St along Royston Place. The front of the Chapel was on Woodhouse St. It was the Mission Church of Headingley. There is also a picture of 68 Woodhouse St an upholsterers with a view of Nether Green Court.
Margaret
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dee melody
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Hello Barbara. Apologies for getting back to you so late. Have now gone through the Ordnance Survey Maps and have arrived at the following:
Nether Green was off Woodhouse Street, Leeds, probably close to Craven Road Centre/Servia Hill.
There are 2 Myrtle Streets: one off Regent Street, Central Leeds and the other in Hunslet.
I don't know if this will help, but I have noticed that a lot of people who married at St. Marks Church, Woodhouse (1840 - 1850's), gave their address as Nether Green.
Dee
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BarbaraH
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Thaks very much for that Dee, and to Margaret and Libby for the links to the Leodis site
It pains me to say this  but that photo site is much better than the equivalent one in my home town Manchester. The way they put info and contributions with each pic is excellent & very helpful.
That point about Nether Green being on lots if marriages is probably significant - you think it might be just an address of convenience for Ann to give her temporary residence in the parish?
They are proving tough nuts to crack, these Atkinsons!
Thanks again
Barbara
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dee melody
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Hello Barbara. I think Nether Green was an actual area, but because so much has changed over the years; I guess it's commonly known as Woodhouse today.
Barbara, I also noticed the following: 2 people on Genesreunited are also searching for an Ann Atkinson, born Leeds - Terence has date as 1830; Jane has date as 1829. It's possible these 2 people are searching for the same Ann. I don't have access to Genes, but thought I should pass it on in case you were not aware. Maybe someone on here maybe able to pass on a message for you.
Dee
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saraudu
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Hi Barbara,
I was born a McGibbon. My great-grandfather was John McGibbon and I think he may have been born somewhere in Scotland . . . such a big help . . . He was married to Anne Augusta Milne in 10 Aug 1866. And I know nothing else about him except he was an orphan at a very young age. He could have been born to the John McGibbon who is your possible relative, but I have no info at all on his side of the family. Maybe you have some info.
I live in the Seattle area, in Washington State, of the US. If it would help you I would be happy to share whatever info I do have. Maybe this would benefit us both. My great-grandfather John McGibbon lived for quite a while in Dublin, too, before comng wth his wife and one living child, William, to the US by ship in 1886. They went to the Lower Glouster Street Presbyterian Church which is now a ruin that was a corn store on Sean McDermott Street, there.
Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks, Saradu
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BarbaraH
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Saraudu - Welcome to rootschat
I'll send you a PM as my McGibbon line was not located here in West Yorkshire - I have to say your gt-grandfather's details don't sound as if we have a connection, but you never know.
Dee - Thanks yet again - I think I have already been in touch with one of the GR contacts and we are stuck at the same place!
I'm going to send for the birth certificate of Ann's oldest child with William Brownridge, in hope that it gives something to work on.
(2 hours later) goodness me, even this isn't simple! Oldest child on the 1871 census is 'Thomas' born c. 1853. Of course there isn't one on the bmds... 
I'm going for a brew!
Barbara
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dee melody
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Barbara, I'm surprised your still at the 'brew' stage. I would have been on something stronger long before now!!!!
Have you seen these 2 births for Thomas:
Births
March 1853 / Leeds
Atkinson, Thomas Vol No: 9b / Page No: 393
Atkinson, Thomas Brown Vol No: 9b / Page No: 393
If you have a look on: http://www.yorkshirebmd.info/births.html
You will notice Thomas B belongs to Leeds West!! Could be a possible.
I did notice that Thomas was not with the family in 1861. He was with his Grandfather James Snr.
RG09 / 3393 / 72 / 31
12 Tonbridge Street, Leeds
I was looking at the family on all the Census to see if Ann's mother ever came to live with them.
There is also William Thomas Brownridge b. March 1852 / Leeds
Vol No: 9b / Page No: 345
This birth is in the sub-district of Leeds North
Dee
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BarbaraH
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Barbara, I'm surprised your still at the 'brew' stage. I would have been on something stronger long before now!!!!
Ah well, I did not mention what I was brewing  But no, as yet its still only coffee!
The two Thomas Atkinson births looks good - I think I've seen William Thomas Brownridge with a different family in 1861. And it looks as if Thomas did call himself Atkinson as an adult - there are two marriages on the free bmds for Thomas Brownridge Atkinson, in 1873 (Leeds) and 1884 (Middlesbrough). If that's him, in 1891 he's a herbalist in Middlesbrough with wife Hannah.
Right, then! I've asked the GRO to do reference checks on the two Thomas Atkinson births based on mothers name being Ann. Fingers crossed, an address for Ann before marriage might help to locate her parents. It certainly is the scenic route to finding them...
Barbara
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BarbaraH
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Good morning!
I've changed the heading of this thread as we've now discounted the chap in Grove St that I started out with! It's now become a quest to pinpoint which Atkinson family is mine, out of the many available in West Leeds, that use the names Ann and John
Further to last posting, I now have a birth certificate for the child born to Ann Atkinson 6 months before her marriage to William Brownridge:
"1st Feb 1853, Thomas Brown, boy, [no father's name], mother Ann Atkinson, Nether Cottages, Nether Green, Leeds, reg. 22 Feb by E Auty"
I went back to the 1851 census to look again at Nether Green and found this family at 22 Nether Green Road:
George Atkinson 69 cloth dresser, gigger (is that a machine operative?)
Elizabeth Atkinson 55 wife
Elizabeth Atkinson 15 daughter
Rebecca Atkinson 12 daughter
Harriet W Atkinson 11 grand daughter
all born Leeds.
The same family are in Nether Green in 1841, with three more females but no Ann.
Do you think I can stick my neck out and say that my Ann is probably related to this family? And that she might have been staying with them in 1853?
Because if so, there is another Atkinson family on Nether Green in 1841:
Mary Atkinson 55, washerwoman
Ann Atkinson 15
David Atkinson 15
Sarah Atkinson 15
Charles Atkinson 13
HO107/1348 ED 48 Folio 47
What do you think? Worth chasing this family up a bit?
Barbara
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dee melody
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Hello Barbara. I have been looking at the 1841 family you quoted above. The mother Ann is easy to trace, although she appears to have fallen on hard times for a while - on Parish Relief. This is the part I find odd, especially if her children were in the area!!!
I'm going through the maps again to see if the address where she is living is anywhere near her daughter Ann Brownridge. It is also possible that they could be related to the 1851 family quote have quoted. Your Ann is not making it easy is she?
Dee
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BarbaraH
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she appears to have fallen on hard times for a while - on Parish Relief. This is the part I find odd, especially if her children were in the area!!!
good point...
Meanwhile I've also sent for another birth certificate, for Mary Elizabeth Brownridge, b. Halifax in 1854. Ann and William had three children in Halifax between 1854 and 1858 before moving back to Leeds. In the vague hope that they moved out there to stay with relatives, and that that will lead to something. Fingers crossed yet again!
Barbara
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