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Topic: 1815 Marriage BROWN /ROSERVEAR (Read 205 times)
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Just Moi
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Hi there,
I'm looking for any UK information about the couple, their forebears and the UK births and deaths of any children of the couple.... This is what I already "know" ..... 
29 May 1815, by Banns, at Stoke Damerel, John Brown married Sarah Roservear. This information comes from a kind RChatter (meggles) who visited the Devonshire RO earlier this year.
I'm trying to find if those two were my great great great grandparents, who migrated to Sydney NSW departing Plymouth 25 Nov 1826 (or London 18 Nov 1826) under Capt Collins, on the Elizabeth which arrived Sydney 7 April 1827. Most of the passengers were associated with the Methodist Missionaries. The couple were accompanied by their daughter, Ann Bradford Brown probably christened at Stoke Damerel 29 April 1823, daughter of John Brown, school master and Sarah).
From various NSW Archival records, I know that John Brown was a lay preacher in Sydney, and he also stated he had been lay preaching in England. His first position in NSW was as a draftsman in the NSW Surveyor General's office. In NSW he was also was a "practical builder", a "land surveyor", and a school master.
I would appreciate any help or suggestions about finding UK information on Sarah Roservear (surname spelling varies, but it's "Rosevear" on the death certificate of Ann Bradford McKone nee Brown in NSW). Sarah died in Sydney in 1827, ten weeks after giving birth to Elizabeth Australia Brown on the ship Elizabeth "just off the coast of NSW". I realise it is a very difficult task to find information about John Brown, and I don't anticipate finding his birth / christening details. I would like to find information about Sarah ... 
Many thanks for reading this long posting.
JM
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trish1120
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Hi JM,
Most of the Rosevear/Roservear/Roseveare I can find seem to originate in Cornwall. But I have found these christening possibilities on IGI;
Sarah ROSEVEAR
09 January 1791, St Austell, Cornwall
Parents William and Jane
Sally ROSEVEARE,
Birth, 19 May 1796
Christened, 26 June 1796, Stoke Damerel, Devon
Parents, JOHN and ELIZABETH
Sally/Sarah are often interchangable
Siblings;
William, 1786
Elizabeth Frances, 1790
Richard, 1792
This is Extracted
There is a submitted record of him marrying Elizabeth Roseveare abt 1782, Stoke Dameral
Do you have any idea of Sarahs age at death??
Trish
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trish1120
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My Amazing Mother 1912-1982
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Someone has a personal Tree on Ancestry with Ann Bradford Brown born 1823. Is it yours?
I think the Bradford is the only way to try and crack the Brown Ancestry as Johns Mother is likely to be a Bradford. This has happened to me frequently in my personal searches.
Trish
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All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND) |
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Just Moi
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Hi Trish,
I agree with you about "Bradford" being likely as the nee name for John Brown's mother ....
1. According to her NSW death certificate Sarah Brown was 31 when she died in June 1827. NSW certificates for that era do not show parents.... 
2. I have not put any of my Brown forebears on a tree on Ancestry ... and umm, I have just had a look for that tree, but alas, I cannot find it ....
3.I know of that submitted record for the marriage of John Rosevear to his first cousin Elizabeth Roseveare .....
Umm, I hope I have answered your questions. Umm John Brown's life in NSW was very colourful, included numerous marriages, disagreements with NSW leading Methodists, court trials, etc. I'm interested in finding out about his and Sarah (yes, could be Sally) before their migration to NSW .... Ummm, if you spot this family on the 1828 NSW Census, the Sarah there was John Brown's second wife, Sarah Rhoda ENNIS ..... NSW born 1809-1840
Trish, many thanks for the info you found, I should have included a note in my original posting about the IGI records, but I had not noticed (and still have not found) Ann Bradford Brown in any Ancestry tree ....
Cheers, JM
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trish1120
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Hi Jm,
I'm not crazy the Tree is there 
I have sent you a PM.
Cheers,
Trish
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Just Moi
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Ta Trish, got your PM and I have found that submitted tree.... and I have replied to your pm ....
I'm trying to find information about the lives of John and Sarah Brown (nee Rosevear) back in the UK .... John Brown was aged 76 when he died in Sydney NSW in Feb 1865. The informant on the death certificate was not a family member and no genie information re parentage was provided... However, when back in June 1827 John Brown's first wife died suddenly, the NSW newspaper reported that "Mr. Brown had only very lately emigrated to the Colony with his wife and family from England, being natives or long residents of Cornwall" . Also, from Ann Bradford Brown's death certificate (in 1878, NSW ref 1128) it shows she was born in "Devonshire", ca 1823 to John Bradford Brown and Sarah Rosevear.... - Incidentially that's the ONLY time I have found any reference to a middle name for this John Brown, or a surname for his UK wife, Sarah (there's five wives, yes - 5, all mentioned in the probate packet, the judge numbered them Mrs B #1, to #5, during the probate and appeal processes... all five died in NSW Australia)...
Sarah Rosevear would have been Mrs Brown #1, I have NSW documentation and NSW certificates for all five wives and their children.... I'm descended from the first wife, the one who died in Sydney just ten weeks after arriving here, I know far more about the four later wives, than about my own great great great grandmother! 
Do you think Sarah was born Sally Rosevear in 1796 ?
JM
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