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Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« on: Friday 18 September 09 10:19 UTC (UK) »

I've been sent a photo which I believe shows my grandfather on a fire truck in Ontario. That it is Ontario is pretty definite because it says it on the registration plate, but where? I know Ontario is a big province, but here goes.

He was there between 1926 and 1931 and I have information to suggest possible towns and cities are Toronto, Hamilton, Kingston and Owen Sound, but it could be anywhere in the south of the province. The building looks quite distinctive and appears to have a logo which I have attached in close-up. It could be a stylised tree with words above.

Does anyone recognise such a building, or the logo? Alternatively does anyone know of an Ontario website or message board where I could post an enquiry?

Thanks in advance for any help or advice.


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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #1 on: Friday 18 September 09 16:43 UTC (UK) »

You could try the "Ask A Librarian" service.  They may be able to identify the photo, or tell you where you can write for an answer:
http://www.kfpl.ca/askLibrarian
The above link is for Kingston.

(I would start with one library, so you aren't "wasting" the other librarian's time.)
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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #2 on: Friday 18 September 09 17:21 UTC (UK) »

Years ago, I ordered certificates from Ontario.  I don't remember the exact name of the government agency, but the letterhead had a symbol similar to the symbol on your building.  Could it be an Ontario goverment building?

Update:  the certificates came from the Registrar General's office.  The logo in the upper left of the stationery (the trllium) was similar to the building symbol.
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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 September 09 10:42 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for your replies Lisa. I had googled "Ontario symbols" and I too wondered if it mat have been an earlier version of the trillium logo. I've also trawled through numerous fire department sites for Ontario, hoping for perhaps some historical photos which have a similarity to mine. I shall have a look into the "Ask a Librarian" service.

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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 September 09 12:39 UTC (UK) »

If you contact the Toronto Reference Library 'Ask A Librarian' you're odds of getting a positive answer are much better than Kingston.

Good hunting.
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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 September 09 13:43 UTC (UK) »

I've had experience with the Kingston library and found that they provided a quick response and went beyond what I originally asked for.  Perhaps focus on asking the libraries to check in their directories for your relatives name - it might be easier to narrow down his location that way.

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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 September 09 18:26 UTC (UK) »

Good afternoon,

I believe that the symbol of the 3 leaf clover was the symbol for fire depts in Ontario, and may still be. I remember my friend's dad (city fire cheif) in London, Ontario having a similar symbol on his fireman's unifom jacket. So, the building may have been a fire station. My memory may be a bit cloudy since it has been 40 some years since I seen his dad's jacket, but it is something to consider.

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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 19 September 09 18:55 UTC (UK) »

Here is a website dedicated to Firefighter's in Canada.  They have a forum as well on that site, you might get more help.  It's great that you can see in the picture it's an International and the license plate which hopefully will help.

http://www.firehall.com/index.php

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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 20 September 09 10:54 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for all your replies. The firehall site looks very interesting with a gallery of buildings and vintage vehicles. I'm going to take a look through them to see if there's anything to help there. Otherwise the forum may help.

Merv
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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 07:06 UTC (UK) »

Can you read the year of the license plate in the photo? Another long shot but maybe the Ministry of Transport (DMV) has a cross reference to the plate number. Might tell you where it was issued...Huh? Just a thought... Huh

The plate matches style to antique plates on EBay for the late 1920s.

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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 09:23 UTC (UK) »

Hello Kiddo

Thanks for your reply. The license plate was not something I had investigated. I found this website www.canplates.com/ontario.html on Canadian plates, including Ontario. I had struggled to identify the characters next to "Ontario", they looked more like letters to me, but playing around with some photo software this morning I think I can make out 1931. This would fit in with the dates that I know he was in Canada, although he was back in England by September of that year. Judging by the lack of leaves on the trees in the background this would make it early in 1931.

Thanks for looking at this thread and prompting me to take another look at the photo and giving me another avenue to explore.

Merv
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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 10:59 UTC (UK) »

I don't think I saw this mentioned in your replies...is there something in the bottom of the building window?  I cannot see the photo clearly enough to determine if it is writing.  Roll Eyes
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Re: Ontario Building ID, Very Long Shot, but
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 12:04 UTC (UK) »

Hello Lisa

Yes, I noticed that at the bottom of the window. It doesn't appear to be writing, but seems to be made up of what look like small boxes on the right and artificial candles or possibly angels on the left. I don't know if I'm getting a bit fancyful but to my eye I started to make them out to be some sort of Christmas decoration!

When I first saw this photograph I wondered if the building was some sort of training structure to practice rescues, but the presence of those "decorations" in the window made me think it was a proper building used for offices etc.

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