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Topic: Death of a Hamilton- Completed (Read 465 times)
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Anste
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I only need the death of this John Hamilton and/or his wife to put this family to bed. I have finally through SP to trace them in the 1891 and 1901 census, but I cannot find deaths in Scotlandspeople. John's parents were William Hamilton & Mary Ann Gilmour, they went to Scotland about 1854.
John Hamilton B1850 in Ireland married a Mary/Jane Neilson/Neilsands in Co. Donegal. They returned to Scotland and had William B1876, James 1879 (died before 1891) and a daughter Sarah Jane B1887. Finding Sarah Jane helped me to find their marriage and in the Census in Maryhill, Lanarkshire. They did not die in Maryhill, but could have been put down as Partick/Goven/Kelvinside etc. I find SP impossible for deaths especially with names like Hamilton.
Have tried the * thing in SP but have had no luck with looking for the Wife.
Found Sarah Jane's marriage to a Wilfred C. Planner, but that surname does not seem to exist anywhere else. Its like there is a brick wall in each turn.
So, Have decided that John &/or Mary's death will be the final stop for this family.
Can I have some suggestions please, Annie
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sancti
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On Sarah Jane's marriage record are her parents still alive?
What year was she married?
Where was she living at the time?
Who were the witnesses?
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Annie
Don't think you had the family's 1881 census entry from what you have said. This looks like their entry that year:
John Hamilton 29, gen. lab., b. Ireland
Mary Hamilton 27, b. Ireland
William Hamilton 5, b. Glasgow
James Hamilton 2, b. Glasgow
William Daisley 28, boarder, gen. lab., b. Ireland
Address: 140 King St., Calton, Glasgow
Monica 
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MonicaLesl
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I also saw a couple of possible deaths for a Mary Hamilton Ne*lands post 1901 with a birth year of 1855 +/- 5 yrs. Not much else 
As Sancti has suggested, maybe the info from Sarah Jane's marriage entry might provide some more clues.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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There is a possible entry in Bromley Kent for Sarah Planner on the 1911 English census with husband showing as Walter. This Sarah shows as born in Scotland in 1887 which fits well with your Sarah.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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If you search on www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl, there are two births showing for Planner children in Bromley in 1912 and 1915 where the mother's maiden name shows as Hamilton.
Monica
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Anste
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Here I am slow again, On Sarah Jane's marriage certificate both parents were still alive, both had put down 24 Kelvindale Road, Glasgow. In the 1901 census the parents were living at 24 Kelvinside Road, Glasgow. Witnesses on marriage were Maggie Buxton & Allan?  ??.
So, they may have lived with her parents to start with, Walter is a Private in the Scottish Rifles, aged 34.
Walter's parents are Richard Planner and Mary Ann Bevan, formerly "Hatcher".
Glad to hear someone else is having problems finding Hamiltons.
Also, have noted couple of suggestions for Mary's death, with "Neil" as surname.
Looks like they moved to Kent will follow that up re children too.
Thank you all as it all helps. Anne
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sancti
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Perhaps the Hamiltons moved to Kent with their daughter.
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Anste
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Yes Monica, I had the 1881 census record but have spent so much time/money trying to confirm that this is them. By finding Sarah Jane (John had a sister, Sarah Jane who died aged 5) that I decided this must be the right John Hamilton. Will not be sure until I can find his death, their marriage in Ireland cannot really confirm it except his father WAS William.
If I can find Mary's death place, it should help me find John's death.
Just caught your message Sancti, certainly a possibility will take note of that point.
Thank you, Annie
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Anste
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Hi All, Just letting you know all I have found so far is that Walter C Planner died in 1916 in WW1. He was in the Royal West Kent Regiment (Corporal). I didn't go further with this as maybe Sarah plus children returned to Scotland. Not sure of the children listed on the Freebdm but have noted them at this time as their children.
Still looking for death of Mary (Neilson/Neilsands) Hamilton.
Ta, Annie
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JSHC
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There is a death of a Mary Hamilton MS Nealands at the Western Infirmary in 1909. Husband is John Hamilton foundry labourer, usual residence 24 Kelvindale Road.
Regards
Joyce
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MonicaLesl
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Hi All
The death that Joyce has confirmed is one of the ones I saw on the searches. Maybe a co-incidence, but, from searches the other day, there is a John Hamilton b. Ireland in the right age group for Sarah's father showing in 1911 in Bromley Kent. He is showing as husband/head of a household with a younger wife born c. 1871.
Monica
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Anste
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Thank you all. I will get the death of Mary Nealands in 1909 as the address is correct, but did John then go to Bromley, Kent, and marry again. That is of course possible as he would have been about 61 in 1911 and his new wife 40. John's father William married again when the mother died, he was 52 though he said he was 42 and he married a 17 year old and had 4 more children.
Will look for another marriage also for John in Maryhill, Scotland after 1909.
I feel sure that you are all on the right track as the death of William Planner said he came from Bromley.
Thanks again, will let you know what happens, Annie
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