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PaulineJ
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Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« on: Saturday 19 September 09 14:09 UTC (UK) »
OK,
I'm having trouble with these in-laws.

1871 census.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=LNDRG10_792_795-0446&fn=James&ln=Roberts&st=d&ssrc=&pid=9636651


1881 census; http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=LNDRG11_753_757-0580&fn=Caroline&ln=Roberts&st=r&ssrc=&pid=7884930

Maria Roberts     54 b Kensal Green
Caroline Roberts    35 B bath, somerset
James Roberts    18
William Roberts    15
Ada Roberts    10 b Plumstead
Walter Roberts    8 b Plumstead

1887 Woolwich Reg District  Charles Harrison Daws & Maria Wood on same page of Marriages.
1891 census RG12; Piece: 539; Folio 36; Page 6

Charles H Daws     72
Mary Daws    64 b kensal green (nee Wood, widow of Richard Roberts)
Caroline Carter    45 widow b Kensal Green
Walter Roberts    18 stepson b Plumstead
Ada Carter    20 b Plumstead

Charles Harrison Daws Bur 1896
Maria Daws Bur 1898                 from same street address. in Plumstead.

1901 census:
I can't spot  Caroline, Walter or Ada.. Any takers?

Walter: RG13; Piece: 393; Folio: 95; Page: 9 born "Plumtead"

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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 September 09 14:23 UTC (UK) »
Hi Pauline

whats the matter with the Walter Roberts on

Rg13/ 393
folio 95
page 9

ricky

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I see you have found him now Wink
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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 September 09 14:35 UTC (UK) »
Ada married to George Saunders? RG13/574 Folio 157 Page 52

Marriage - Sept 1892 Shoreditch 1c 169

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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 September 09 14:46 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: CatOne on Saturday 19 September 09 14:35 UTC (UK)
Ada married to George Saunders? RG13/574 Folio 157 Page 52

Marriage - Sept 1892 Shoreditch 1c 169

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Cat

Nope, That Marriage  was 31 Jul 1892  @Christ Church, Hoxton . Her dad was Charles William Carter (Dec'd)

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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 September 09 14:52 UTC (UK) »
Death for Caroline?  Undecided

Caroline Carter age 45 June 1891 Woolwich 1d 902
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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 September 09 14:58 UTC (UK) »
Elimination:

1901 RG13 / Piece: 574 /  Folio: 157 /  Page: 52 is:
Ada (age 26 b abt 1874 Plumstead) & George SAUNDERS with a 1 yr old son, Ernest and a 24 yr old Brother-in Law, John WILLIAMS b Plumstead.

That's George Ernest SAUNDERS and Ada Edith WILLIAMS, marriage Dec Qtr 1895 Woolwich (and they're on 1911 with Ada as 37.

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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 September 09 15:12 UTC (UK) »
Ada and Walter were Caroline's children. were they?
Maria to old to be their mother.......

Is Ada the one birth registered 1870 Plumstead as ROBERTS?

Given the 'anomolies' with the 1891 - Ada CARTER listed as servant, not a daughter or step-daughter, and listed after Walter -   I'd have to wonder about this marriage which took place before the 1891:

Mar Qtr 1889 Woolwich:  Ada ROBERTS and William Joseph BRIGGS
(the other couple on same page are together in 1911, tho not immediately seeing in 1901)

Cant find WJ & Ada BRIGGS in 1901 found, see next , or 1911

Actually,  Ada ROBERTS on 1881 and Ada CARTER on 1891, same yob &  pob admittedly -  but are they same people?

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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 19 September 09 15:23 UTC (UK) »
In 1901, Theres a William Briggs at RG13/287 Folio 76 Page 33 Bethnal Green with wife Ada (transcribed Alda) and 2 yr old son William E. Is this the couple whose marriage you found?? Hes only 29 though and Ada is only 27  Undecided
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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 September 09 15:30 UTC (UK) »
Hmmm - nope, just found them  Smiley
RG12 /  Piece: 533 /  Folio 93; Page 62

The Ada ROBERTS who married Wm J BRIGGS is with him in Woolwich Arsenal in 1891.
She's age 22 and born abt 1869 Plumstead.
They also have Ada's sister,  Henrietta ROBERTS age 17, b abt 1874 Plumstead and their father, George ROBERTS in the household.

This Ada BRIGGS nee ROBERTS?  is the one registered 1870 Woolwich?

So where was Ada ROBERTS/CARTER's birth registered?
Is she : Elizabeth Ada CARTER registered Woolwich Jun Qtr 1871?

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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 19 September 09 16:01 UTC (UK) »
http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp
FMP has an Ada ROBERTS b abt 1870 leaving London in 1891 bound for Melbourne (Victoria)  Australia

http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp
Had Ada ROBERTS age 21 arriving in state of Victoria, Australia in November 1891 on the "Orient"
Index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923
Checking back on FMP - same person.

There are 2 other ROBERTS on the same ship, but none are on the same pages


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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 19 September 09 21:38 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: AMBLY on Saturday 19 September 09 15:12 UTC (UK)
Is Ada the one birth registered 1870 Plumstead as ROBERTS?

If it's early in 1870 then I suspect not.

Ada Roberts     Baptism     13 Mar 1870     Daniel Roberts & Mary Ann
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Re: Roberts/Carter 1901 (Plumstead area)
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 19 September 09 22:33 UTC (UK) »
Ok, 3 Sept 1866
Caroline Roberts (of Age) Marrues James Carter (of Age) Labourer at St Mary Magdalen Woolwich.

Her Father was Richard Roberts Hammerman (or BlackSmith), so seems to be the 'right one'
His father was George Carter a smith

Witness Jesse George Mansfield and Maria Worthington

July 19th 1867
Anne Carter Bapt to James & Caroline Carter at The 1861/1871 census address

Sept 19th 1868
Annie Carter BURIAL aged 1year 4months at 1861/1871 census address.

My head hurts...
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