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Topic: Can anyone read German script? (Read 614 times)
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pwhh
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Hi,
Is there anyone who can read German handwriting from 1822?
If so, I'd be hugely grateful if anyone could make a guess at this chapìs name.
I'm looking for "a German" whose name seems to have been anglicised (or his bride couldn't understand him!) This might be the man, but I can't read his signature!
Grateful for any help.
pwhh.
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Rudge, Brookes; Gregory, Humphrey, Rawson; Brooks, Bonser and Smith! Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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standardcrow
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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No joy for me, I'm still on the civil registration era with my hubby's family. However I have started looking up resources for this sort of thing when I get further back. Old German handwriting is called Suetterlin. I have found a couple of teach yourself books in Modern German if you can read that.
Deutsche Schreibschrift. Lesen und Schreiben lernen - Harald Süß
Alte Kirchenbücher richtig lesen: Hand- und Übungsbuch für Familiengeschichtsforscher - Roger P. Minert
Wir lesen deutsche Schrift: Ein Arbeitsbuch zum selbständigen Lesenlernen der deutschen Schrift - Albert Kiewel
If not, this website is in English and might give you a start if you are likely to have lots of old German records to read! There are lots of examples to practice:
http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Englisch/Sutterlin.htm
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blodwen
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I have bought a post card with the Suetterlin abc on it - doesn't make it any easier to read other people's handwriting. Will bookmark and see if I can make out anything in a quiet moment.
Viv
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Gywnedd/Caernarvonshire: Roberts, Evans; Glamorganshire: Griffiths, Thomas; Middlesex: Sibley, Barnett; Beds: Sibley Kent: Jury, Hunt; Yorkshire/Middlesbrough: Wright, Sullivan; Irleand/Cork: Donovan, Sullivan; Census information is crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Manchester Rambler
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The first name certainly seems to have an umlaut over the u...
It looks to me like Lüfin W[..] Jno. - in that case, Lüfin would be the surname.
It could also be Lüsin (old-style s looks like f), and my (Swiss) husband votes for Lüdin!
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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pwhh
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Hi,
Thanks for all your ideas, and resources re Sütterlin. I guess my man just couldn't write very clearly!
For the first name, I'd arrived at Lüsie or Lütie, maybe (if they are names) but the last... I get that it probably ends in -gtes or -gses. But can't make out how it starts. I would like it to be V... (because in English it ended up as F...) but it doesn't quite convince me.
Again, thank you all - you have given me more ideas to play with.
pwhh
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Peonie
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Thought the first letter could be "W" . Do you know where he was born? Names are sometimes localised.
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pwhh
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Hi Peonie,
Unfortunately, all I know is that Elizabeth (the one signing X in the marriage doc snippet) married "a German".
He only lived about another 4 years, she remarried, and no one seems to know what the original German name was.
So W is also a possibility.
Thanks.
pwhh
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Peonie
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Hi pwhh
Any idea what his job was. Perhaps we could narrow down the area. Have never heard of his Christian name either. It's possible he wrote his Family name first.
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Peonie
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Hi
had a little dig around. Similar names to Luetin seem to come from Ostfriesland. Did he go to England or America? Passenger lists to America are available for that time.
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pwhh
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Hi,
He came to England (London), where he was briefly a sugarbaker, married Elizabeth, then most inconsiderately died before any census!
Augustine, thanks for your idea - I must admit, it looks more like a W to me, too, though I've no idea whether that is actually a name.
Unfortunately, his is the only snippet of German handwriting on the doc - the rest, apart from Elizabeth's X, all seems to have been written by the parish clerk or similar.
Thanks again all for your ideas.
pwhh
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blodwen
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I am afraid that I have not been at all successful, cannot decipher any letters 
Viv
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Gywnedd/Caernarvonshire: Roberts, Evans; Glamorganshire: Griffiths, Thomas; Middlesex: Sibley, Barnett; Beds: Sibley Kent: Jury, Hunt; Yorkshire/Middlesbrough: Wright, Sullivan; Irleand/Cork: Donovan, Sullivan; Census information is crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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