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Topic: Why was he named Holland? (Read 806 times)
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lesleyhannah
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Not all children are given family names - even hundreds of years ago there were 'fashions' - look at the number of Indias, Chelseas etc there are today (none when I was growing up). Have you looked at the birth records to see whether there was a sudden surge of little 'Hollands'? Maybe something very significant happened involving Holland in the late 18th or early 19th century? Perhaps the mother felt she'd gone through all the boring family names, and wanted to choose something she liked for her last baby!
We have a similar example in my extended family. One child was inexplicably given the name Bennett. He seems to have been named after a family friend - we have no idea why (we don't think the boy was his son). We can only guess the parents wanted to 'honour' their friend in some way. Were there many Holland families on the 1841 census in the area your family came from? When I first married in 1960 it was still usual to give a son his godfather's name as a middle name. I also know of women who named their sons after the doctor who delivered them.
I can't think of any other suggestions, but I'm sure other people will have examples of odd names just popping up out of nowhere. Good luck with the search.
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libby9
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I note there is also a James Hargreaves who was imprisoned in 1827. Could he be part of the case too?
I flippin hope not, Duckweed, but who knows! this hobby has taught me anthing's possible. I'm just glad I started my research after my father died - he instilled in his children how important honesty is and would have been horrified to learn his ggguncle was a felon. This ancestor, Simon Hargreaves, was tried with two others for stealing six eggs, a loaf of bread, elderberry juice and dripping - not a huge haul, and was first commited to the death penalty which was then commuted to seven years transportation.
I have to admit to feeling a little excited when I started to unravel the story as until then all my ancestry had been very normal and mundane.
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Hargreaves (Halifax, Leeds, Huddersfield) Armitage, Cock, Sharp(e), Womersley, Turner, Graham (Huddersfield) Priestly (York, Leeds) Cragg, Sutcliffe (Halifax)
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libby9
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Hi Could be! I'll let Libby answer that one, Simon says!  Going to Email only now! Libby! leave room for others
Hi Dobby,
Thanks for all your help, you are a true star.
Catch you later, Dob.
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libby9
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Lib's
You should be so lucky!!!
Mine are all 'Ag labs' -Sing" We saw the seeds and gather" YAWN! Am Usually snoring ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ by 11 am in Warwick records office.
Ahhh!, Dob's..............maybe you'll uncover something extraordinary one day, you certainly deserve to (I don't mean desrve a common thief) I thought mine were a conventional boring lot - until I found Simon.
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libby9
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We have a similar example in my extended family. One child was inexplicably given the name Bennett. He seems to have been named after a family friend - we have no idea why (we don't think the boy was his son). We can only guess the parents wanted to 'honour' their friend in some way. Were there many Holland families on the 1841 census in the area your family came from? When I first married in 1960 it was still usual to give a son his godfather's name as a middle name. I also know of women who named their sons after the doctor who delivered them.
An interesting theory, Lesleyhannah. It's certainly very possible was Holland was named in honour of a family freind, or respected villager.
Thanks for your input.
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libby9
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Blooming Norah, Dob's, your family history isn't zzzzzzzzzzzzz at all, a murderer wow! All these miscreants we uncover certaily make our hobby interesting, and Edward 1 and 2, also El Cid - you dark horse, you. I'd love for those who are shocked by others dark ancestry to uncover a felon, or two, but I suspect some people wouldn't believe the facts staring them in the face and therefore won't add them to their tree. Their loss!!. At first I almost felt some responsibility for Simon, but then got excited by the story and realised I couldn't accept responsibility for my forebears misdeeds. Of course times were very different back then, lots of starving people, however I don't believe Simon was starving - just a young man full of bravado who may be described as a yob today, his father was a craftsman and Simon himself was doing an apprenticeship. Simon made a name for himself in Aus as a master coachbuilder and was commissioned to build coaches for the wealthy.
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libby9
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Forgot to say, Dobby, I'm jealous of your Lords and Ladies - I've not found any of them in my ancestry. Ahh maybe one day!
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libby9
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Thanks for your support, Dobby, you're a true star 
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Sandymc47
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Hi there
You asked why he was called Holland. If you look at the history of 1814 it was the end of the Napolionic Wars and Holland became Holland that year after the merger of the North and South of the country/ Holland helped Napoleon in his wars. Therefore the conclusion could be that Holland was a name in the news and even if you didnt get a newspaper or have TV lol, the name Holland would have been a big name in that year, especially if Holland was born around or after March April of 1814/
regards Sandymc
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libby9
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Hi Dobby,
You are very modest  The amount of help you've given me is quite amazing and I'm stuck for words to express my gratitude toward you, but I'm sure you know what it means to me - to have the images you've forwarded to me plus all the other stuff you've sent. Thanks a bunch, Dob
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