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Gwenn02
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Baptism germany 1764
« on: Thursday 24 September 09 10:29 UTC (UK) »
I have this German  baptism entry - 1764  and I have trouble to decipher (THE RED CROSS)
I understood that JULIANA might have been illigitimate daughter .. I don'"t understand the cross on the top

Who can help Huh?

ps- It's probably the parish of  Untermünstherthal


Thanks in advance for ANY hints

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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 24 September 09 10:58 UTC (UK) »
On any of the German family trees I have (done in Germany) it means died.
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Gwenn02
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 September 09 11:06 UTC (UK) »
Thanks :-)

it's mean that one of JULIANA parent is dead ?

what is the mother name .. ? cannot make it

I tried to sort out how baptism entry are written in germany but it seams depending of the provinces/parishes it's different

Who are the witnesses names (part)
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Gwenn02
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 September 09 11:34 UTC (UK) »
After further observations

what I can make it's there is 2 collumn and JULIANA baptism is on the left

I have gave it a try but not much success


anno die 17 Juny Baptizavit
Huh? Hermanus Huh  + (= deceased)
Marie Juliana illegitima
Huh??
 
Par (= witnesses)
- : Joanes Schneider filig Martin HuhHuh
-  Verena gretmanin Huh )
 
Par Dominicus HuhHuh
HuhHuhHuh??,
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 September 09 11:39 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Gwenn02 on Thursday 24 September 09 11:34 UTC (UK)
Huh? Hermanus Huh  + (= deceased)
could that name be Bernardus?
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Gwenn02
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 September 09 11:49 UTC (UK) »
Maybe

so father Bernardus

and why illigitimate Huh
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 September 09 12:17 UTC (UK) »
Or his Bernardus (?) the illegitimate child of Juliana?
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Gwenn02
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 September 09 12:53 UTC (UK) »
I don't know

I've been trying to find how is the 'typical' german baptism entry from this period (1760's) without success  Sad
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 September 09 13:03 UTC (UK) »
I think there are three different entries (line markings). Looks like Bernardus  is the illegitimate child and the mother died in childbirth. To the right there is ? Laurentien, who would be the god parent

I have some Baptisms from 1626 and from memory  (I am on holidays and have nothing with me ) it goes  - date - child's name and then father's name (no name for mother) and then god parents.


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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 September 09 13:08 UTC (UK) »
Had another look, is it possible that the baby died and that the Laurentien bit is something in Latin.

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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 September 09 14:47 UTC (UK) »
Hi Gwenn,

Could you post an other extract with the first line?
I don't understand if the child is Bernardus or Juliana or both...

The child is illegitimate and seams to be deceased.

Bernardus +
Maria Juliana Illegitima sub conditione

The parents are:
Joannes SCHNEIDER filius Martini SCHNEIDER ab dem Ziegel...
Verena GUETHMANNin
John SCHNEIDER son of Martin from Ziegel...
Verena GUETHMANN

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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 September 09 15:29 UTC (UK) »
Patr.:
Dominicus RIESTERER, ab dem Hoff
Catharina LEYLERin Hasengrund

Patrinus=godfather
Matrina=godmother
Par.=Parentes=parents

Bernardus could be the name of the priest who baptized the child Juliana...
The first line could be important  Wink
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 September 09 19:11 UTC (UK) »
Below attached it's the right  entry with not the top bit cut  (I'm interested by the entry where there is a red cross ... it's scann of a photocopy sent by Freiburg archives
Quote from: Augustine on Thursday 24 September 09 14:47 UTC (UK)
Hi Gwenn,

Could you post an other extract with the first line?
I don't understand if the child is Bernardus or Juliana or both...

The child is illegitimate and seams to be deceased.

Bernardus +
Maria Juliana Illegitima sub conditione

The parents are:
Joannes SCHNEIDER filius Martini SCHNEIDER ab dem Ziegel...
Verena GUETHMANNin
John SCHNEIDER son of Martin from Ziegel...
Verena GUETHMANN

Augustine

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Gwenn02
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 September 09 19:17 UTC (UK) »
Further to that  According to a link somebody post on rootschat about german BDM etc... the 'Par' seems to mean WITNESSES

the link is :

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/images/Ger_BMD_RefDoc_HandbookGermanResearch.pdf
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Re: Baptism germany 1764
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 September 09 10:43 UTC (UK) »
Thank you Gwenn.
Reverendus Pater Bernardus: He is the priest

Joannes SCHNEIDER filius Martini SCHNEIDER ab dem Ziegelblaz (=Ziegelplatz)

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