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Topic: COMPLETED WITH THANKS Keppel’s Head at Portsea in the 1830’s and 1840’s. (Read 1159 times)
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Tom Piper
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Rev. Thomas Grove is in 1841 census for Mavesyn, Ridware.
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Just Moi
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Hi There,
Yes, I have the info on death of Mary Ann LEDICOTT, and umm also there's a sudden death for Thomas Ledicott, a chap who was in and out of treatment for mental health issues... That was part of my oral history passed down through the family.... But none of us have ever figured out how Keziah met Edward .... oral history says "known to each other all their lives" ... one born and raised at Ramsgate and the other at Portsea .... one the son of a draper, the other the daughter of a hatter .... for over one hundred years the story has just been one of romance as they were "known to each other all their lives" They went everywhere together......
But, Not until the 1841 census came online ... well I spotted who was next door to whom .... and I have cousins born before WW1 - alive, alert and very keen to know JUST who was related to whom - at that NEXT DOOR  They are mighty impressed, - I've been chatting on the phone to my second cousin - he's 96 year old and he says I'm to add his thanks to TOM ....
Cheers,
JM
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Just Moi
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I take it that you know when and where John Ledicott's wife, Mary Ann died don't you?
This is the announcement in the same newspaper:
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle Saturday, November 29, 1851
Ledicott, on the 28th instant, at her residence, Nelson Square, London, Mary Anne, widow of the late John Ledicott Esq., of Portsea.
Tom
Hi Tom, Just to say THANKS from another of my ancient cousins that cousin has just reminded me that Keziah Ledicott was married from Nelson Square on 8 August 1849, with Elizabeth Goddard WEBB and C Webb as witnesses. Same address as her mother ! - they had addresses "all over the place"
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
I have found the IGI extracted record for Eliza Harrison to Charles Grove, at St Marys Portsea in 1834... the newspaper cutting has far more info...
Now to find out who were the witnesses at that marriage... I think I may still have an online link to there,
ADDED Yes, it's http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory/pr.html
Cheers,
JM
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Tom Piper
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Some more for you:
Thomas LEDICOTT's death sent to you by PM.
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc , Saturday, November 6, 1858
LEDICOTT-On Wednesday last, after a long illness, Mrs. Ledicott, wife of Mr. Thomas Ledicott, of the High-street, Southampton, Hatter.
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc Wednesday, August 29, 1866
Before Mr. Registrar MURRAY)
RE GEORGE HENRY MITCHELL SOUTHAMPTON
A meeting for proof of debts and for choice of assignees was held under bankruptcy of George Henry MITCHELL who was described as of Southampton, merchant’s clerk. The bankrupt applied to the court upon his own petition in consequence in the depreciation of the value of property held and agreed to be purchased for him. Amongst the creditors is inserted ………
A proof for £185 was presented by Mr. Thomas W. LEDICOTT, of 11, Above Bar, Southampton, tobacconist, for money lent to the bankrupt at his request, and Mr. LEDICOTT subsequently appointed himself asignee
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc Saturday, April 8, 1865
List of share holders in the Hampshire Banking Company
Thomas William LEDICOTT Southampton
More to follow with descriptions of Thomas Ledicott's shop in Southampton.
Tom
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Tom Piper
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Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc Monday, September 12, 1842
To Capitalists and other seeking Investment
Important sale of valuable properties in High Street, Southampton
Mr. Peaty begs to announce to the inhabitants of Southampton, and the Public generally that he has received instructions from the assignees and Mortagees of Mr. W. Miles, to sell by Auction, on Friday the 30th September instant, at the Star Inn, Southampton, at two o’clock in the afternoon (unless previously disposed of by Private Contract, of which due notice will be given) and subject to such conditions as will be produced at the time of Sale.
Lot 1-All that eligible and extensive DWELLING HOUSE and PREMISES, being No. 127, and situate in the most desirable and flourishing part of the beautiful High-street, Southampton, opposite Bridge Street, ………
Lot 2-All those two valuable & substantially built DWELLING HOUSES, BONDING CELLAR and PREMISES, situate on the south side of and adjoining the last mentioned lot, in the several occupations of Thomas LEDICOTT, tobacconist, and William Miles, fishmonger, commanding a frontage of the said street of 32feet in width, and extending in length from the High-street towards French-street, 123 feet, or thereabouts, together with the convenient Stable and Buildings at the back of the said premises recently erected by the said William MILES, at a considerable expense, the whole of which is now let at the moderate rent of £170 per annum. This valuable property is also held by lease under the Corporation of Southampton, for the term of forty years (renewable every fourteenth,) commencing from the 25th of March, 1835, and is subject to an annual quit rent of £2 2s 4d.
In 1847 and 1855 Thomas LEDICOTT took out a General Gaming Certificate at £4 10s 0d each, so he could go shooting for game!
Tom
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Tom Piper
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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That house in Horndean, a clue perhaps:
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc , Monday, July 3, 1809
To be let, a pleasant and convenient HOUSE for a genteel family, called KEY DELL LODGE, with coach-house and stabling for three horses, cow-house, and piggery, a rain-water tank, productive kitchen garden, rich orchard, and meadow land adjoining, containing about six acres, situated in the Forest of Bere, one mile from Horndean, and nine from Portsmouth.
For a view, apply on the premises; and for other particulars, to Mr. John Ledicott, Hard, Portsea
Tom
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Just Moi
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Many thanks Tom for those newspaper cuttings... Much appreciated.
MODIFIED on Sat 10 Oct 2009 with corrected words in red (thanks Nell)
Here's the first part of my own transcription of Elizabeth HARRISON's will, drawn up 1841. I have added my own punctation marks so that it makes sense to Moi.
This is the last Will and Testament of me, Elizabeth Harrison, of Portsea in the County of Southampton, Widow. I desire to be buried at Kingston Church in the Parish of Portsea aforesaid, in the grave with my late husband and over that the Headstone of such grave shall be (one word not clear, seems to be Meaced) cleaned and repaired and my name with the dates of my birth and death be inscribed thereon.
I give and bequeath unto my daughter in law, Eliza the Wife of Charles Grove, all my Book debts and creditors securities for money, money collected in the House and other monies to which I shall be in any manner entitled at the time of my decease subject nevertheless to the proceeds payment of any my just debts funeral and testamentary expenses and the costs of proving this my Will.
More to follow
JM
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Bit More, MODIFIED on Sat 10 Oct 2009 with corrected words in red (thanks Nell)
Second part of the Will
I give and bequeath unto Elizabeth, the wife of Charles Webb of Portsea aforesaid, Clerk in Her Majestys Port Dock Yard these there all my wearing apparel and it being expressly my Will that no part of my Household effects should be disposed of by public sale I do hereby bequeath and dispose of the whole same as follows.
Secondly (namely) to Elizabeth Webb the daughter of the said Charles Webb: my silver Tea Pot and Stand; one pair of Silver Sugar Tolleys Tongs one Silver meat skewer; four silver table spoons; six of the best silver box tea spoons; two of the best plated Candlesticks; one pair of plated sniffers snuffers and Wax Tray and one pair of plated cuetmarkers nutcrackers also the following Articles of furniture from the front sitting room of the dwelling house or INN :
(next page, see next posting 
JM
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Just Moi
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Third part of that will (continuing from sitting room etc) MODIFIED on Sat 10 Oct 2009 with corrected words in red (thanks Nell)
or still in my occupation; one Mahogany dining Table Carpet Drugged rugs. (no words between Table and Carpet Drugged  (not sure of what "Drugged" would mean
Window curtains, pole and Blinds from room 27 1; six yellow chairs from room 27 4; one Bedstead and furniture; Feather Bed mattress, Bolster, two pillows, one Counterpaue (unsure of that word); four blankets; Dressing Table and Looking Glass; three chairs' one Wash table' Chamber Ware (I did mention "full audit and Bedside Carpets and from room 27 5 Mahogany Chest of Drawers, four sheets and four Pillow Cases.
To Robert Webb, son of the said Charles Webb, Silver Fish Skit (umm, what's that); four silver table spoons and six best silver tea spoons also the following articles of furniture from room 27 6 in the said house: one Bedstead and furniture, feather bed Bolster and two pillows, Mattress four blankets and Coounterpane Carperts, Dressing Table and looking Glass, Corner Wash Stand, Chamber Ware and four Chairs. From room 27 2 Chest of Drawers, four sheets and four pillow cases; from Coffee room a large Mahogany top table and four pint pewter Mugs.
More to follow, Cheers, JM
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Just Moi
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Fourth part of that Will (next beneficiary)
To Margaret Webb, daughter of the said Charles Webb, six silver tea spoons, a pair of small silver Sugar Tours (this word is not clear and is unfamiliar to me); one Waryou (unsure of that word) top tea caddie with silver spoon, two foot stools and one pembroke table from the card parlour.
To Henry (I'm not sure if that was his name) Webb, son of the said Charles Webb, six silver tea spoons, one set of Cruets and plated ffrauce (again, not sure) one plated Toast rack; two red trays with all the tea and breakfast UNCLEAR word known as the Brown Wreath pattern; one Mahogany top tea cabbie with Glass and Silber Spoon; one table with Mahogany top from Coffee room and four pint pewter Mugs; one bedstead and furniture, one bed bolster pillow and mattress, four blankets, one counterpane, three chairs, dressing table Glass in Washing stand, Chamberware and Carpets from room 27 5, four sheets and four pillow cases, six chairs and Dining table from Card parlour also the virular (unsure of that) ends belonging to the same table with the Sofa in the front parlour up stairs two guard.
More to come - I did say it was a full audit of the establishment!
JM
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Just Moi
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Fifth part of the will
One dorauters hoolbut (those two words elude me) plain runners and four blue Mugs.
To my young friend Mary Strugwell now residing with me, the furniture of room 27 7 consisting of two Bedsteads and furnitures, Widow Draperies, two beds, two mattresses, two Bolsters, two pillows, six blankets, two counterpanes, two washing tables and Chamberware, Chest of Drawers, one Dressing Table and Glass, four chairs, Bedside carpets, six sheets, six pillow cases and from the Cork (not sure, could be "back" or "Card etc) Parlour, four chairs, Square Dining Table, Bureau Chest of Drawers, Green ffeuder (not at all sure of that) and Carpet and four Blue Jugs.
To my Servant, Sarah Overy, the contents of the room over the Kitchen being a Bedstead, Bed, Mattress, Bolster, Pillow, Quilt, three blankets, table glass, washerstand, four sheets, four pillow cases also four chairs, small pembroke table and dresser from the Bar.
More to follow, this time for her cousin !
JM
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Sixth part of the will (red text to show modifications)
To my cousin, Roberta, Rebecca the wife of Mr Foyle one Bedstead and furniture, Bed mattress, Bolster Pillows, three blankets, quilt, two chairs, washing stand, chamberware, looking glass, side carpets, four sheets and four pillow cases from room 27 2 and Wainsot (unsure) table and six chairs from Coffee room and four Blue Mugs and
sirert (unsure of that) that the foregoing specific legacies shall be delivered as soon as conveniently may be after my decease and in case any of the Articles herein specified should not be in their respective places at the time of my decease the said legaries shall be satisfied as nearly as toue (unclear word) from any other part of my effects but should any dispute arise as to the respective articles to be taken by each of the said legatees in such case then I declare that the decision of my executors hereinafter named shall be binding and routhurivt (another unclear word) on the said parties
and as to for and continuing all of the residue and remainder of my household furniture and effects after answering the purposes aforeseaid and all other my estate and effects whatsoever and wheresoever not herein before otherwise disposed of I devise and bequeath the same unto my said daughter in law Eliza Grove, her heirs, executors, administrators and assign to and for her and their own use and bequeath absolutely trusting that my said daughter in law Eliza Grove will distribute such parts of the .......
Just one more Part to follow JM
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Just Moi
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Seventh part of the will
(Eliza Grove will distribute such parts of the....)
Glass China and Kitchen requistes as she may so require for her own use between the said Mary Strugwell and Sarah Overy
And I appoint my said daughter in law Eliza Grove and James Greberrirk (not sure) Whitehead of Portsea aforesaid Gentleman, joint Executrix and Executor of this my Will and hereby revoke all other Wills so that this only to be and contain my true last Will and Testament. In Witness thereof, I the said Elizabeth Harrison, the Testatrix have to this my Will contained in this and the two previous sheets of paper set my hand to each sheet thereof this seventh day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and forty one. (Eliz. Harrison), signed by the said Elizabeth Harrison the Testatrix and as for her last Will and Testament on the day of the date in the presence of us who at her request in her presence and in the presence of each other have thereunto subscribed our names as Witnesses thereof. A S Walker, WS Hellycer Solr, Portsmouth & Portsea.
So, while the will (drawn up 7th April 1841) does NOT offer up the name of her late husband, it does offer up the names of her daughter in law and her cousin, and thanks to TOM PIPER here at RChat we know some good details about the daughter in law... Now to just find Elizabeth Harrison’s cousin... Roberta, - a Mrs Hoyle perchance !
Of course, I am trying to find out if there was a familiar connection between Mrs Elizabeth Harrison's late husband, and my John Harrison, the draper at Ramsgate Kent..... , JM
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
I have found Eliza (the daughter in law) with her husband Charles Grove on the 1841, 51, 61 and 71 census, and her probable death registered 4th qtr 1876 in London. And Charles Grove remarried in Oct 1878 to Caroline Charlotte Plow, officiating clery was Caroline's father, Rev Henry A Plow - I Have found that image on the LMA online Ances*** site).
Perhaps that death certificate for Eliza(beth) Grove will give clues as to who her Dad was - as I cannot find his death details... Of course he had died before her 1834 marriage, so perhaps the passage of time between his death and the death of his daughter will hinder the accuracy of that information.
From Pigots Directories 1828,
Mrs Harrison, was already the publican at the Keppel’s Head, The Hard, Portsea (was she already a WIDOW ?)
Chas Webb, China dealer 145 Queen St Portsea, was operating a Glass and China Warehouse
And, from Pigot's 1844
Charles Webb, China dealer at 68 Queen St Portsea
John Leddicott, Hatter, at 25 The Common Hard, Portsea
Elizabeth Harrison, Vict, Keppel’s Head, at 23 The Common Hard Portsea (Directory at the publishers when Elizabeth Harrison died ?? as the will was proved at LONDON 7th August 1843)
I have NOT found the place where Mrs Elizabeth Harrison, Widow, was buried in 1843, - "Kingston Church" Portsea, but I cannot find this ... - thus I don't know the date she died, so cannot figure out which death cert to order, so I'm unable to figure out how to find her husband's details... HELP please...
Thanks in anticipation,
JM
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