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Topic: COMPLETED WITH THANKS Keppel’s Head at Portsea in the 1830’s and 1840’s. (Read 1160 times)
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Just Moi
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Hi all,
I have received email acknowledgement from Portsmouth Council, passing my questions on to a specific department there .... my questions have their own "reference number" now...
So I anticipate an answer shortly.
JM
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Tom Piper
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JM,
I take it that you have seen this marriage
Elizabeth Warner &
JOHN HARRISON Family
Marriage:
25 SEP 1820 Alverstoke, Hampshire, England
Batch no. M073577
Tom
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Just Moi
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Ta Tom,
Ah, yes Tom, I think perhaps could be her, but I'm not overlooking the marriage of an Elizabeth PINK to a Robert WARNER in 1813...
Perhaps Mrs Elizabeth Harrison, widow of John, was formerly widow of Robert Warner, ie nee Elizabeth PINK Bit More,
At Alverstoke, Two possible chaps surnamed WARNER married to an Elizabeth
11 June 1804 Elizth ARNOLD to THOMAS WARNER (umm she was abt 65 in 1841, so 1804 is possible)
BUT this next one is interesting to me, there's a surname PINK which occurs in the Ledicott tree too....
11 Jan 1813 Elizabeth PINK to ROBERT WARNER
from memory, there is PINK v LEDICOTT on London Gaz and/or The Times entries re disputes of estate of John Ledicott.
And afterall, I am trying to find a connection between Mrs Elizabeth Harrison of the Keppel's Head, and her neighbours there by name of Ledicott....
Cheers,
JM
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Tom Piper
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JM, Yes that's what I meant, she married Robert Warner, then when he died, she married John Harrison-we would have to get a copy of the marriage cert- maybe someone this rootschat has copies of Marriage details from Alverstoke church-it would indicate her marital status at time of her marriage to John Harrison, it should be widow.
[b]Maybe we would have to ask administrator if such a request could go on another thread?[/b]
I wonder what was the marital status of John Harrison as well, it must have been widower as well. Just thinking of the terms of the will and the fact that Eliza Grove is daughter of John Harrison born 1808, so also we want a death of Mrs Harrison, but I think we have covered all this before.
Tom
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Tom Piper
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JM,
Now look what I have found!
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle Monday, October 2, 1820
Married, on Monday last, at Stoke Church, Mr. Harrison, of the Keppel’s Head, Common Hard, to Miss E. Warner, of Queen Street, Portsea.
So that confirms Elizabeth's maiden/married name doesn't it? It also confirms that John Harrison was originally the publican in 1820-that would be Monday 25th September 1820.
Tom
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Tom Piper
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JM, I have noticed during my searches that at one time, around 1816 there was a PINK MEAD FARM near Botley, Hampshire so around 14 miles from Portsmouth occupied by a Mr. WARNER!!
That farm still exists.
Tom
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Just Moi
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Oh that's a great find Tom....
I got up early (well its around 4 a m in NSW) and checked the PC, and there's your post.... Miss Warner, of Queen St Portsea and he already of the Keppel's Head....... thanks .... I presume "Stoke" Church would be Alverstoke ..... hope so....
JM
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Little Nell
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It is good to see that marriage was the correct one. I did point out in reply no 54 (on Saturday) that there was no burial for a Robert Warner in the period 1813-20, which would be necessary for Elizabeth to be his widow on her marriage to John Harrison. So perhaps she was a spinster.
There is a baptism which might fit for her in Titchfield in 1774, parents Thomas & Elizabeth.
Nell
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Just Moi
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Hi Nell,
Miss Elizabeth Warner.... born 1774 .... wonder if that's the year that was inscribed on her headstone at Kingsdon ! 
Just been reading about that church.... 1120 the land presented to the Priory
10 July 1843 the building demolished except for the tower.... So that would indicate Mrs Elizabeth Harrison's funeral was one of the last conducted in that particular church building on that site....... and it explains (at least to me) why her April 1841 will is quite specific about what needs to be on her M I (and its location) but she did not specify the church for the funeral service... The proposed demolition and the re-construction of the church building would have been fairly well known to the local community....
Many thanks, (Alas, I have not found that 1774 birth at Titchfield  )
JM
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
This link shows headstones on these images of the Kingsdon Church and the graves there at various times across several centuries. Unfortunately the ...... the inscriptions are a tad too small to read... 
But at least I will be able to provide the Portsmouth Council with some clues to help alter the info on their webpage - with the date of 1856 as the commencement for burials.......
http://www.dennisbillfamilyhistory.co.uk/Churches/StMaryPortsea_page.htm
Cheers,
JM
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Just Moi
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Hi all,
Thank you for those links Nell, much appreciated
JM
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
Some possible family members for Mrs Elizabeth Harrison nee Warner (c 1774 - 1843)
In 1828 there was a Henry WARNER at 10 Cross St Portsea, a Baker, Grocer and Tea Dealer 
In 1790's there was a Thomas WARNER, a Blacksmith (Freeman), at Alton while at Botley (Botleigh) there was also a Thomas WARNER, a principal inhabitant  and a Mercer, Grocer !
Still searching for John Harrison, - the chap who was Elizabeth Warner's husband...
Cheers,
JM
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
The Common Hard in the late 1820’s
Hill & Perkins, Cabinetmakers and Upholsterers at No. 2
Ezekiel Emanuel, Jewellers and Silversmith at No. 3
Wm Peirce, Grocer & Tea Dealer at No. 4
J Down, Confectioners at No. 5
Chas Crasswaller, China, Glass & etc Warehouse at No. 8
Thos Brett, Grocer & Tea Dealer at No. 12
Geo Gregg, Boot and Shoe Makers at No. 16
Wm Woodward, Book sellers and Stationers at No. 17
Richd Ring, Surgeon at No. 18
Josh Holmes, Ironmongers at No. 23 (this is odd, that’s the address I have for the Keppel’s Head hotel)
John Ledicott, Hatter at No. 25 (my forebear)
S Alexander, Agent, at No. 26
James Snow, working cutler, No. 34
Richd Talbot, Wine and Spirits Merchant
and TEN Taverns and Public Houses
Mrs Harrison, Keppel’s Head, Common Hard -This Thread is about this Hotel and this Mrs Harrison
William Ash, Bedford-in-Chase,
M Woods, Earl St Vincent, Common Hard
J Lamb, Nag’s Head, Common Hard
L Mears, Naval Tavern, Common Hard
G Sutton, Row Barge, Common Hard
J Dughall, Sheer Hulk, Common Hard
T Coker, Ship Anston Common Hd
J Beattle, Ship & Castle Common Hard
W Saunders, Waterman’s Arms Common Hard
I have the names of the neighbours now!!
JM
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