|
Pages: [1]
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: french archives - drome, indre et loire (Read 190 times)
|
bowes
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 555
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Hi everyone,
Could someone please help me out here.
I need to access the archives for Drome and for Indre-et-Loire to find births, marriages, burials. I am looking for the surname "Crozet" in Drome and for Jan Martin in Indre-et-Loire. Jan Martin was shown on his sons marriage certificate to have been born in Savigny in Anjou, which i understand to now fall under Indre-et-Loire.
If someone could tell me which options to click on so that i may do a search i would be grateful as i do not speak French and am really battling to understand the sites i have looked on so far.
Many thanks
Kind regards
Jackie
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
jorose
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 4657
|
http://archives.cg37.fr/
- this is the site for the Indre-et-Loire departmental archives. Savigny-en-Véron tables decennales (ten-year indexes for civil bmds) are online from 1802. Earlier records, including church records, appear to be held at the archives but they are not online as far as I can see.
http://archives.ladrome.fr/
- this is the site for the Drôme archives. Click Accédez aux archives numérisées to access the records. They are not searchable by surname - you would have to know the area you wanted, preferably the name of the commune - but they do seem to have some parish records going back quite far.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/RG/guide/WLFrench.asp
- this is a useful list of French words for genealogists. In addition to this I think "archives numérisées" (digital archives) and "archives en ligne" (online archives) are useful search words/phrases to look for on sites.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
bowes
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 555
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Thank you so much for the links. I have tried to read the documents, which if i were French would be absolutely fantastic to see the originals. However i cannot read a thing. Perhaps i need to learn to read French.  Is there nothing online that has been transcribed?
I also find that for the Drome one, Chatillon St Jean has not been put online as yet.
Kind regards
Jackie
P.S. I appreciate the links very much and perhaps i could find someone who speaks French to come and have a look for me.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
jorose
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 4657
|
Châtillon-Saint-Jean is online, but you need to search for it under that spelling (with the â). I don't speak French really either, but with the help of the word list you can usually make things out with a little practice. It helps that they tend to follow a certain format. If you tell me what record you are looking for in Châtillon-Saint-Jean I'll have a little look and see if I can find something for you as an example to explain how it works.
The departments tend to just put the original images up; sometimes local genealogy groups (try looking for 'cercle généalogique' or similar) put things online. Another good site is http://www.geneanet.org/ (searches multiple databases, including some pay databases and also individual family trees); I found someone researching the same Belgian family as me there. You need a surname and a commune for best results - there do appear a couple of hits for Crozet in Châtillon-Saint-Jean, for example. (You'll need to join the site - it's free - to see more info).
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
bowes
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 555
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Hi, my man is Pierre Crozet born 1785 Chatillon St Jean married to Elisapeth Sophie Adelaide Vallentien. His parents were i think; Jean Crozet Born c1749 and Marie D'Arnaud B c1749, married c1780 in Drome, not sure whereabouts. If you could perhaps find the latter marriage in abt 1780?
Maybe i need to print out the list and keep it next to me.
Many many thanks
Regards
Jackie
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
jorose
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 4657
|
The baptisms, marriages, death/burials records for those times are all jumbled together, no index. Each starts with the date, e.g. :
a dixieme fevrier mille sept cente quatre vingts six, a été baptisé (was baptised)
then the name, and fils(fille) légitime (unless not - fils natural etc. are also seen), then the parents' names, then godparents (parrain and marraine). Sometimes more information is given.
For burials it will be the same format for the date, but followed by a été enterré(e) instead, place of burial (commonly just cimetière de cette paroisse - the cemetery of this parish), name of deceased (sometimes including information about relatives like 'widow of' or 'son of') other information like age etc. and two witness names.
Marriages give the date, then name, parents' names, residence of the groom (d’une part) name, parents' names, residence of the bride (d’autre part), then a bit of stuff about bans and legal stuff etc, and witnesses names (usually four).
Civil bmds usually have a bit more information, but again it depends a bit on the date etc. They usually have an index at the end of each year which makes things much easier (wish the parish records had that!)
What I find I have to do is work for my own family is through a number of years just making a note of every time the surnames I'm interested in come up, so that I can more easily go back later in case they're cousins. For Pierre, start by finding his baptism in 1785, work backwards looking for siblings, cousins, and possible family marriages. If you can't find the marriage in Châtillon-Saint-Jean, check every Crozet entry for mentions of other nearby communes (my relatives seem to have moved a quite a lot but mostly within a limited area), and then check those.
Pierre's baptism appears to have been added in the margin (in the records of Paroisse de Saint-Jean-d'Octavéon, dated Jun 18 1785), perhaps having been originally noted on a loose sheet and then subsequently recorded into the main book. In some years the names have been indexed in the margin which makes it easier. In the same parish, 22 June 1784, Marie Crozet, daughter of the late Pierre Crozet and of Margureite Maurant, was married - Jean Crozet (her brother?) was a witness. There is a sister to Pierre, Francoise, christened. 17 Oct 1782 same parish. I didn't go back much further.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
jorose
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 4657
|
Had another look at the IGI, saw it had Pierre's death date (submitted info) - his father's death is listed on the same page, died earlier the same year - 12 Jan 1816, aged 67. Also on Pierre's death record a brother, Bruno Crozet, is mentioned. A month before (19 Dec 1815), Marie d'Arnaud, wife of Jean Crozet, died aged 68. Bruno is mentioned again. He may have been the eldest child.
The death of one of Bruno's children, also Bruno, I found in Châtillon-Saint-Jean 26 Dec 1818, along with that of his wife, Louise Chaberd (aged 41). At the birth of the child on the 18th Dec 1818, Bruno's age is given as 38.
Bruno's christening is on the 26th September 1780.
another brother Joseph was christened 11th November 1778
another Jean christened 2 May 1776 (godfather a Francois Crozet)
christened 4th April 1775 d. 15th April 1775 aged 12 days, a sister Marie Crozet
Jean Crozet signed as witness to a marriage 12 Nov 1772, and again 15th May 1769.
In January 1769, there is a daughter Catherine born to Francois Crozet and wife Catherine (handwriting incredibly bad), so the Crozet family were around in this area.
Jean Crozet may be the one christened 27 Jun 1747, child of Jean Crozet and Marguerite Gurin.
I do also find some of the Crozet family in nearby Parnans - 8 Feb 1778, Marie Crozet, d. of Francois and Catherine (Cotte), 29 August 1776, Roze Crozet, d. of Francois and Catherine, 18 Apr 1772, Francois s. of Francois and Catherine.
I would suggest looking into the background of the d'Arnaud family in Châtillon-Saint-Jean - the couple may have married in Marie (d')Arnaud's home town.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
bowes
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 555
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Thank you so much for all this info. I despaired of ever getting anywhere with this, and now i have been fortuante enough to get all this from you. Again i thank you.
I will follow up on Marie d'Arnaud as suggested.
Kind regards
jackie
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1]
|
|
|
|
|
