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mama
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1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« on: Monday 28 September 09 06:14 UTC (UK) »

Can anyone find n Ellen Berry in 1851 Census please. She could be born in 1846-1848. Where and who was she living with?
Thankyou Mama


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Botfield (Bethnal Green) Feltham (Corton Wilts) Shaw Sutcliffe (Huddersfield) Larsen(Morup Swed.)

scamp1234
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 September 09 07:27 UTC (UK) »

Mamma,
1851 census

GODFREY BERRY born Holmfirth age 35 Cloth Milner
HANNAH BERRY born Marsdon age 32 Wife
JOHN BERRY born Marsdon age 12 son Billy piecer
EDWIN HENRY BERRY born Marsdon son age 11
SARAH ANN BERRY born " " daughter age 9 Scholar
CHARLES B. BERRY born " " son age 7
ELLEN BERRY born " " daughter age 2

Hope this helps

Regards

John


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Tati
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 September 09 07:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi mama,

This one maybe?

1851
HO107/2295 988 7
Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Marsh
Luck Lane
Henry Berry, head, 40, Cloth (something)
Elizabeth, wife, 39
John, son, 11, Cloth Finisher
Maryann, dau, 8, scholar
Allen, son, 7, scholar
Ellen, dau, 5, scholar

All born Marsh

Oops - didn't get a red warning at all Huh

Hmm, so that's 2 candidates Undecided


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mama
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 29 September 09 01:31 UTC (UK) »

Thankyou for your reply. I believe the mother of Ellen Berry was Mary Hartley as at sometime during her life she called herself Ellen Hartley but on her marriage certificate 1869 to Harry Sutcliffe she called herself Ellen Berry and the witness that signed as her father was Godfrey Berry. The age of Ellen varies on the various Census as Ellen Sutcliffe probably because it was difficult to transcribe the writing. Ellen was illiterate in that could not sign her name when the children were born. I will just have to try another way.
Mama


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scamp1234
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 29 September 09 05:22 UTC (UK) »

Hi mama
There are 9 Godfrey Berry's in 1851 census. All from Huddersfield.
When was he born?

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John


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Christine in Portugal
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 29 September 09 07:23 UTC (UK) »

I'm having problems finding her on any census after her marriage. Only one I can find has a husband called Squire.

Do you have her in 1861?

What was the occupation of Godfrey Berry and why do you believe her mother was Mary Hartley?

Christine


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Walker, Smith, Slater, Blacker - Farnley Tyas, Huddersfield
Claybourne/Clayburn - Norton Doncaster
Birkenshaw/Birkinshaw - Doncaster
Hall - Skelbrooke, Doncaster
Bisby - Campsall, Doncaster
Hemsworth - Doncaster

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mama
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 29 September 09 09:30 UTC (UK) »

Thankyou for your replies. I know there are a lot of people called Godfrey Berry from Huddersfield. I have not searched for Ellen Berry or Ellen Hartley in 1861. That would help. On her Marriage Certificate to Squire Abraham Sutcliffe Nov.1865 in Parish Church Kirkheaton (it says both of this parish) Father's name and Surname was given as Godfrey Berry Chemistry Worker. Ellens age was given as 20 years. I applied for a birth certificate of a possible Ellen Berry born 1846 with Father Godfrey Berry (did not state mother as this was what I was trying to find out). Request came back that forename of father was not correct..so I assume that the Berry portion was correct. I have now applied for that same certificate not stating any parents to see what happens. I assume that her mother was Mary Hartley because Ellen was using the name Ellen Hartley before her marriage PLUS on the birth of her daughter Martha in 1866 name and surname of mother is Ellen Sutcliffe formerley Hartley. Hope you can follow this saga!
Mama


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Christine in Portugal
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 29 September 09 14:08 UTC (UK) »

So she did marry Squire Sutcliffe as you had said earlier she married Harry Sutcliffe.

It's strange that she gave her name as formerly Hartley on the birth cert of her daughter and you also say you assume her mother was Mary Hartley because Ellen was using the name Hartley before her marriage. Do you have Mary Hartley and Ellen together on a census.

Her birth may not have been registered so you may be better looking for baptisms.

I will try to find her in 1861 later but have to go offline now.

Christine


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scamp1234
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 29 September 09 19:07 UTC (UK) »

Hi Mama,
I have a Ellen Hartley in 1851 census
She is aged 8 and her mother is Mary and father Stephen
She had siblings

John


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mama
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 01:54 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for the reply both of you. John, Ellen died 1924 aged 77 years so I make her birth 1846/47. Harry Sutcliffe was my Grandfather eldest son of Squire Abraham and Ellen. Previously when I searched 1881 Census I found a Godfrey Berry and Mary Berry Living at Hill Top Middle Huddersfield RG11 4382/100 Page 12 (this has been going on for years!). He was born in Almondbury about 1808 and married a Mary ?? b. Chapel En Le Frith Derby about 1811. Does he show up on 1861 Census ? I could not find her maiden name as BDM don't show births before 1835. His occupation was given as Woollen Dyer and Mary's was a "Burler"
Anyway I'll keep plugging on. Perhaps you can suggest somewhere else I could search. Unfortunately I am housebound and cannot get to the local Family History Society.M
Margaret (mama)


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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 03:29 UTC (UK) »

Boy is this confusing Roll Eyes

Ok, is it possible she was born Ellen Berry, either legitimate or not, and Mother Mary married a Hartley? Ellen could then have used either surname for a while.
Unfortunately there are quite a few possible marriages of a Mary Berry with possible Grooms with surname Hartley and this is not allowing for mistranscription of surnames ;

Job Whitlam HARTLEY, Dec 1849, Burnley, 21 182
Henry Hartley , September 1851, Bradford, 23 247
Joseph Hartley, March 1854, Dewsbury, 9b 535

Trish


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mama
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 04:03 UTC (UK) »

Thankyou for your reply Trish. I applied to GRO gfor a Certificate naming Godfrey Berry as father (as on her wedding certificate) I left the Mother's name blank. GRO sent me a refund with the reply"Father's forename not correctI am still betting on her being connected to Godfrey Berry's family. I applied 10 days ago for a Certificate for Ellen Berry born 1846 without naming parents and should hear soon some result good or bad. Ellen Sutcliffe (nee Berry/Hartley) died aged 77 years in 1924 so must have been born 1846/47. Will keep in touch.
Mama


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Christine in Portugal
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 07:18 UTC (UK) »

The family you found in 1881, Godfrey and Mary are on the 1851 and 1861 census but no daughter Ellen with them in either year.

In 1851 they have

Christopher age 10
Harriot 6
Oliver 2

Do you have any other birth certs for children of Ellen and Squire giving Hartley as Ellen's maiden name?

Christine


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mama
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 07:48 UTC (UK) »

I have the eldest daughter Martha with Mary Hartley as mother. I purposely got that one to see who the mother was. The informant was Squire Abraham Sutcliffe. Martha was born at Cowcliffe.Then comes Harry my Gradfather and he was born at Copridings Lepton. Name Surname and maiden name of Mother states "Ellen Sutcliffe formerley Lee. She was the informant but as she coulddn't write her "X" was witnessed by the Registrar. I thought perhaps she had said "Hartley" but it had been heard as "Lee"
On my Grandfathers Burial Certificate it says his mother was Mary Hartley and that he was born at Lindley (Huddersfield).
Thanks,Mama


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Christine in Portugal
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Re: 1851 Census Huddersfield Lookup
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 08:16 UTC (UK) »

It gets more confusing than ever doesn't it.

On Matha's birth cert mother is Mary Hartley and on Harry's Ellen Lee.

Christine


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