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Jayemh
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Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« on: Monday 28 September 09 18:02 UTC (UK) »

Hi there.  I seem to have hit a brick wall with one branch of my family - John CAVANAGH born circa 1859 in Easington, Co Durham.  He appears on the 1861 Census with the rest of his family f John b 1829 and m Margaret b 1825 both from Ireland.  However they all seem to disappear after that! 

He surfaces again in 1884 when he marries Catherine Owens in Easington and is then on all the subsequent censuses!!! 

Does anyone have any ideas as to how I find where they have gone?  I have tried looking for neighbours but that has not brought any result.  I have checked the Scottish censuses for those years as well.  Run out of ideas now so any suggestions gratefully received!!   Smiley
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Gaie
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 September 09 18:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jackie & welcome to Rootschat  Smiley

I'm not having any luck finding John in 1871/81 either, but do you have his birth cert?

June Qtr 1860, Easington Reg Dist, Vol 10a, Page 307, for reference.

Kind regards
Gaie
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Jayemh
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 September 09 18:29 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for that I had not found it!!!  Cheesy   

It's a complete mystery to me where they have gone to for those years.  When he marries it is in Easington and then stays there. 

Hopefully someone will have a brilliant idea!  Thanks again,  Jackie
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 September 09 19:49 UTC (UK) »

I don't know if your John Cavenaugh is the one  living in Murton on the 1861 census, if so the same family apeears on the 1870 Us census living in Jefferson Illinois.John Sr and Margaret are a bit older than the 61 census suggests but the rest of the family is all there.
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 29 September 09 02:32 UTC (UK) »

Thank you so much for this information!!  It most certainly sounds like him!  I had some hints on Ancestry that his brother may have gone to the US but was not sure of that information and there was nothing to suggest that the rest of the family had gone as well.  I'll have a look at the census. 

Hopefully there will be some record of him coming back to the UK between 1881 and 1884 when he got married.

Cheers!  Jackie  Cheesy



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Ansbro, Ireland, USA
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 November 09 00:35 UTC (UK) »

My great Gran was Ann Cavanagh, she had sisters Elizabeth, Ellen, and bothers Patrick, John and Edward. I have them as living in Sunderlands east end in 1881. Both Ann and Elizabeth married from there in St Patricks church. I had not been able to trace the men or the sister Ellen.However I  have now found out the Ellen was in service in Castle Eden in Monk Hesledon Farm House in 1881.
Patrick married in Easington in 1878, John married in Casle Eden in 1884 but I havnt anymore information on Edward.Is there anyone related to these families.
The Parents of this family were Edward and Elizabeth and they were both born in Ireland in the 1830s. Many Thanks from Ann in Australia
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 November 09 00:50 UTC (UK) »

Ann again from Australia, checking the marriages for thre Cavanagh family and IF !! they are my G Grans siblings. It appears that Patrick married   Margaret Brock  in 1878
John married  jane Mc Ardle of Catherine Owens in 1884
Ellen married Michael Mc Anaeney in 1886.   regards to all from Ann
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 November 09 03:36 UTC (UK) »

Hello Ann, from sunny Austrlaia too!!

I don't think we are related as my John Cavanagh had two brothers and one sister:  Francis Cavanagh 1849 –  Thomas Cavanagh 1852 –  Hannah Cavanagh 1854.  The whole family went to the US after the 1861 Census as they are recorded as being in Indiana in 1870.  Hannah married a Patrick Ansbro and somewhere along the line John returned to the UK and married my GG Grandmother in Easington.

The parents stayed in the US as far as I can see but not sure about the brothers.  They were still in Indiana in 1880.

Where are you in Australia?

Jackie
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #8 on: Monday 02 November 09 13:34 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jayemh,

I think this could this be Margaret in 1881:

Person:  CAVANAGH, Margaret
Address: 5, Bells Yard, Newcastle Upon Tyne All Saints

CAVANAGH, Margaret   Head            Widow       F     55     1826  Hawker                 Ireland
MULLAGHAN, Mary        Boarder    Single        F    39    1842  Charwoman          Ireland
MULLAGHAN, Ann         Boarder    Single        F    28    1853  Charwoman          Ireland
CAVANAGH, Patrick      Son              Widower   M    35    1846  General Labourer Ireland
CAVANAGH, Mary A      Grand Daughter    SingleF    6    1875                              Newcastle Northumberland

Maybe John was close-by?

Regards,

Matt.
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #9 on: Monday 02 November 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »

Sorry, didn't read all the way down the post in my enthusiasm to help. Embarrassed

I Realize now, you already said the family went to the US.

Matt.
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 00:10 UTC (UK) »

Massage for Jackie, We are at Banora Point at Tweed Heads.Guess i will have to go on searching for the Cavanaghs. A friend said that he thought that they came from Ireland to Easington, then moved to Sunderland. 2 of them married in Sunderland and the rest  went back to Easington.I just wished I had asked more questions when I was a child. Regards from Ann Hansen
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 22:55 UTC (UK) »

Hi Matt, thanks for your messages.  No problem!  I do the same thing!!! 

I'm trying now to find out when they went to the US and when John came back. 

The parents were still there in 1880 living with the daughter and son in law.   I haven't managed to find any of that family group after the 1880 census, so maybe they all came back to the UK.  I don't have a full sub to Ancestry so will have to have a search when I get to my local Family History group as they do.

Jackie
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Magee, Co Durham
McGee, Dublin, Ireland
Cavanagh, Co Durham
Phillips
Owen
Mathieson, Scotland
Fish, Scotland
Knarston, Orkney Islands
Ansbro, Ireland, USA
Jayemh
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 22:59 UTC (UK) »

Hello Ann, I am at Kingscliff, just down the road from you!  Do you go to Sth Tweed Family History Group? 

Thanks for the family info, if I come across anything that might match your family, I'll let you know.

Kind regards,  Jackie
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Magee, Co Durham
McGee, Dublin, Ireland
Cavanagh, Co Durham
Phillips
Owen
Mathieson, Scotland
Fish, Scotland
Knarston, Orkney Islands
Ansbro, Ireland, USA
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Re: Missing from 1871 and 1881 Censuses
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 02:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jackie, I used to go to the South Tweed HISTORICALSociety.Ducie Hood was the sectretary or something like that. she lives over the back fence to me.Mainly what Ive found out about both Mam and Dads family, I found out with the help of friends who know a a lot more about geneology then I do.It was my G Grans family that I was trying to find a bit out about. I couldnt find any marriages for them and it was a friend who said he thought the missing siblings had moved to Easington from Sunderland.
Are you from the Uk ? we came out here in 1975 but were in Sydney first, moving here 7 years ago.When I did my Dads family, that was a challenge as he was born on the wrong side of the blankets. all he knew was his Fathers Name. I found a huge skeleton in the cupboard there !!!   Ann
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