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Topic: Scott/Adoption/1919..need help! (Read 2313 times)
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wrighk00
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My daughter-in-law's grandmother was taken to Kings Cross on July 1919 as a 3 year old and handed over to "adoptive" parents. The supposed birth mother wrote 4 or 5 letters before and after the adoption stating the child was born at Highgate on 2 April 1916 at mid-day. She never mentioned the child by name in the letters. The woman signed her name as A.T. Scott. There is no registration for a child by that last name. The woman gave her address as 13 New Quebec St.; Oxford Street, Marble Arch and seems to have received adoptive parents letters there. She indicated after Letter #4 it would be her last letter as she was leaving the country. She said she was in business. Gave no indication of a father. Many searches have been made over the years even by PI, but to no avail. I was thinking perhaps genealogists would have a better idea how to go about searching for birth parents. In one letter it was indicated the child had a ration card. Were lists kept of people getting ration cards? Is it possible to search? Is it possible to search what business might have been at 13 Quebec St. in 1919? and possibly who would have worked there? We are very much interested in any avenues to find out more information. It caused much pain to my daughter-in-law's grandmother during her lifetime. The letters are quite poignant. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Kathy Oh..another clue..it seems she may have placed an ad in the paper ..The London Express in June 1919. There is an ad for that date for a 3 year old "for love only."
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Daisy Loo
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This story has pulled on me for some reason...I am not that experienced a researcher, but I'm learning! How sad...I wonder why the "mother" gave up her child....
I have found 13 New Quebec St....it still exists today, right behind Marble Arch....it looks as though it could well be the original building. If you have google earth...zoom in to street view, and click on no. 15....you'll see a place called "The Ritual Rooms"...that is No. 13 New Quebec St.
(You can read about the place here: http://www.londontown.com/LondonInformation/Leisure/The_Ritual_Rooms/8fac/ )
There are a few options to try and find out the history of this place...you can right to the occupier now...and see how long they've owned it, and what they can tell you about what it was before etc...You can look up the Electoral Roll for this address, and see what it is. I did this for an address in Bromley, and found it to be my great grandfather's barber shop, which I never knew he had!
If the mother really did name her Mona Julia, and registered her birth...the only London registration for a Mona J in 1916, was a Mona J Purdey OND, St Geo H Sq, MMN: MOY. This of course could be a completely different person...AND, the mother may not even have given birth in London to the child!
I will continue digging  Hopefully more experinced people that are better than I will come on board
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BARNETT- Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Dorset HILSDEN/HILLSDEN/HILLSDON- Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Canada PRESTIDGE/PRESTAGE- Warwickshire, Northamptonshire, Islington PINNIGER/PINEGAR/PINNEGAR - Wiltshire Branmbleby - Kent, Middlesex
LEACH- Norfolk BUTTERWORTH - Lancashire OTTON - Somerset LAWRENCE - Berkshire
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wrighk00
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Daisy Loo,
Thank you for your answer! That is a great idea to contact the present occupiers to see if they know the history of the building. It could be that A.T. Scott lived in one of the apartments above, or worked at a shop below (she said she had a business) and used that address rather than a home address.
She said the child was born at Highgate (do you know where that was?). We have copies of about 6 letters she wrote before and after leaving the child at Kings Cross.
This story has tugged at me as well. My daughter-in-law's grandmother suffered greatly from this all her life. She had 6 children all in 50s or 60s now who have been searching, too, but not really knowing how.
If you have more ideas, let me know. We are hoping to solve what seems an unsolvable problem.
Kathy
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wrighk00
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Daisy,
One other thing the mother said was that circumstances were difficult; her business was not doing well; but that she would keep the child with her even through difficulties if the right home were not found for her. She indicated she had received a number of answers to her ad for a home, but this seemed the right one. She sent money for a toy and several letters afterward seeming to want to be assured the child was okay. She also said the child had had a nurse all her life and was healthy. Do you think that meant she had had health care or that someone else had taken care of her?
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Daisy Loo
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Now bear in mind, that I only viewed the transcript, and not the original images!
There were 7 seperate Household Transcripts...I am not sure how this was worked out...if they were renting rooms...I can't tell either, who owned the building...
So :
1. Annie Varney Aged 69 Occ: Housekeeper in Lodging House
2. John Ball (Head) Aged: 38 Scool teacher
Josiah Ball (Lodger) 35 Shorthand Clerk
3. Francis Vaysse (Head) 38 Cafe & Confectioner (this man was born in France....)
4. Alice Smith (Head) 54 Assistant secretary
5. Martha Cullen (Head) 32 Barmaid
Ada Cullen (Lodger) 23 Barmaid
6. Rhoda Lily Sheaf (Head) 22 Barmaid
7. George William White (Head) 39 Domestic Butler (listed as married, but living alone??)
And that's who was living there in 1911.
Could it have been a cafe/confectioners then?
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wrighk00
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They seem to have had an ongoing correspondance for a month or more after the child was placed.
My sister-in-law has a theory that the woman was getting married and perhaps the man didn't want to have the child or may not even have known that the child existed. It was a month between advert and meeting up
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Arranroots
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I've been through much the same process - the only thing I can add is that the middle initial "T" seems to be unusual for a girl's name!
Flight of fancy maybe, but the one that came to mind was Theresa, which made me think of an Irish girl ...
Possible scenarios include an affair - maybe with fiance or husband away fighting in WWI and returning to find he was a "father"?
I looked for any SCOTT births or marriages, the latter to a woman with names beginning with A&T - nothing too promising.
Too many results on Historical Directories to wade through.
I'm inclined to move this to the London board, so the experts can help!
Kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Arranroots
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I've done it for you!
Do the letters give any indication of whether the mother is married?
The 1911 census has only one female SCOTT of around the right age (guessing) with a first name "A" and a middle name "T" (or vice versa)
Fourteen year old Amelia Tresia SCOTT who is living in St Pancras
This girl is the daughter of a gas fitter in St Pancras in 1901. Not sure that she fits the profile of a businesswoman - depending on whether she was a woman of means or not!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Daisy Loo
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The child would surely have been registered somewhere. I tend to lean that her name really was Mona (Julia) as at 3, she would have been sure of her own name as well. So...
I think Highgate was under EDMONTON registration district (incidently...it seems to be quite an affluent area)
There are only 2 Mona's registered in Edmonton, in 1916
Mona K Murphy AMJ mothers maiden name: Jones
Mona E Seelly JAS mothers maiden name: Berryman
Interestingly, there is a Mona registered in 1917, JAS, in Uxbridge (not really near!) as Mona E Marshall, mothers maiden name Marshall. A red herring I'm sure...
The thing is, the address in Marble Arch, I think could be misleading. The mother could have just come up to London (from anywhere really) and was lodging there until she had found a home for her child.
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Daisy Loo
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There's a marriage for Amelia T Scott in 1918, in Willesden, Middlesex to Eggleton?
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Arranroots
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No births for EGGLETON (or similar) mmn SCOTT after 1918.
There's a Thirza SCOTT around, who is older and therefore perhaps more likely - don't know what became of her.
I'm becoming tired however - will catch up tomorrow - good luck!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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