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Topic: Scott/Adoption/1919..need help! (Read 2607 times)
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Arranroots
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Again - unlikely if this is the same woman:
Marriage
March 1918
SCOTT Thirza M J to FILLMORE
Pancras 1b 228
Thirza Mary J born Pancras March 1899
Seems she wouldn't have another initial "A"!!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Daisy Loo
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lol...
if it's just a signature...could it be A J ? Just to confuse things a little more! 
Seen copies of the letters....would say definately A T Scott...
Kathy, you might want to transcribe some of those letters onto here...it may help.
I have a 3 year old daughter, and it doesn't bear thinking about how hard this whole story would have been 
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BARNETT- Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Dorset HILSDEN/HILLSDEN/HILLSDON- Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Canada PRESTIDGE/PRESTAGE- Warwickshire, Northamptonshire, Islington PINNIGER/PINEGAR/PINNEGAR - Wiltshire Branmbleby - Kent, Middlesex
LEACH- Norfolk BUTTERWORTH - Lancashire OTTON - Somerset LAWRENCE - Berkshire
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Daisy Loo
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I'm left scratching my head on this one...have read most of the letters...which leave you with a thousand more questions...the handwriting is very need and articulate...the 'mother' never refers to the child by name...only as the little one, and once or twice as my little girl.
I have added her signature, and also how she writes Dear Mrs Wright, to compare what she calls herself. There are very few registered births for a Mona in London, you could go through all the certs, but will this really help?
The way the 'mother' writes in the letter, gives me a feeling that she knows London well...she refers to Kings Cross as Kings x, tells the adoptive mother to stay on the platform, and that she has a room arranged for her...not really language of a country girl...
Arranroots, do you think it worthwhile putting some of the letters up here?
I don't know what else to suggest, or where to look next!
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BARNETT- Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Dorset HILSDEN/HILLSDEN/HILLSDON- Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Canada PRESTIDGE/PRESTAGE- Warwickshire, Northamptonshire, Islington PINNIGER/PINEGAR/PINNEGAR - Wiltshire Branmbleby - Kent, Middlesex
LEACH- Norfolk BUTTERWORTH - Lancashire OTTON - Somerset LAWRENCE - Berkshire
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Arranroots
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Thanks for posting those Daisyloo. I'm certainly curious about the letters, but not sure how much they would help in finding Mrs SCOTT.
Maybe transcribe any relevant clues?
I can't help thinking the initial T looks like a P - is there any other capital T to compare with?
I agree that the writing is fluent - quite artistic in fact. It really is a mystery. And I suppose we only have her word for it that she was using her real name!
Edit: looking again - the name SCOTT is almost printed! I'm suspicious about that!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Valda
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Hi
The area the letter was written in would be very close to the St George Hanover Square registration district if not in it. There is only one birth registration in 1916 in the London area for a Mona J
Births Dec 1916
Purdy Mona J Moy St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 619
It is possible it is a late registration (or one where the birth was adjusted). Have you eliminated this child?
There doesn't seem to be a Purd(e)Y/Moy marriage, or any other children with this parentage and no marriage or early death registration for a Mona Purd(e)y
There is this later marriage in the same registration district.
Marriages Sep 1918 Moy Mona Ripley St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1223
I can't find Mona Moy on censuses or in the civil registration. There are children from this marriage including one called Mona.
If it has not been done already, I think it is important that the one possible London area candidate is eliminated if that is possible, and/or the birth is examined further particularly since it so close to the letter address.
Regards
Valda
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MonicaLesl
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Hi All
Kathy, following Daisyloo's suggestion on the history of the address. The whole area was/is leased by the Portman Estate offices, www.portmanestate.co.uk/contact/index.html They would be the best starting place to try and find out what 13 New Quebec Street was used for at that time. Voters roll would be the next search but given the end of the war, not a great year to search for. Likely mother was renting a room there for a period of time and may have moved after the adoption you would think but worth checking out anyway.
Can I ask, from her signature on the letter, is A.T Scott signed off as Mrs or Miss?
Monica 
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Valda
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Hi
The 1918 Representation of the People Act only gave limited voting rights to women and then only to some but not all over the age of 30. Women who were not married and did not own property (as in renting) were excluded.
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Valda
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MonicaLesl
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Thanks Valda That may limit that type of search.
Monica
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wrighk00
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I have sent off an inquiry to the e-mail address of the Portman Estate, hoping they can give me a history of 13 New Quebec St. I have also sent for the birth registration of Mona Dowling who seems to be the only one in that area with a mother's maiden name Dowling as well. I will send for the Purdey one, as well.
I questioned, too, whether it wasn't an A.P. instead of T. but someone else thought a definite T as the P's elsewhere were quite different. She consistently signs her letters Mrs. but in those days I think someone unmarried with a child might do that.
Do you think it worth posting a picture of the child just after she was adopted? I doubt, though, that anyone still has the original picture of Mona, but you never know.
I can't thank everyone enough for going after this question..it is a difficult one.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Kathy
Daisyloo has been working hard on this one The Dowling birth was one I did see and wondered about.
I think from what you have said, Mona is now deceased. Maybe including her photo may help. Can I ask you, did the mother ever refer to her child by name in her letters. I've been wondering whether the name Mona was a birth name or that given to her by her adoptive family. Although, given your searches, I have assumed it is understood by the family that this was her birth name.
Monica
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wrighk00
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Hi, Monica,
The adoptive mother wrote to the registers office in 1932 asking for a birth certificate of Mona Julia Scott, born 2 April 1916 at Highgate. I am sure that's what she thought the child's name was. The answer, of course, was that they could find no birth registration by that name and suggested at that time that they legally adopt which I guess they hadn't before. Then a new birth certificate was supplied in the adoptive name.
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Arranroots
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If Mrs Scott was in business, at that sort of date it is possible that her business would be listed in directories under her own name.
I don't suppose there's any indication of the type of business?
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Arranroots
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Thinking aloud - Scott is one of the names the Dukes of Portland used ...
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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MonicaLesl
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Kathy, if the adoptive parents went down this route with the GRO then I would imagine they would have made numerous checks for her entry, more than we can do on index searches. So, as I'm sure the family realised, the name, the date and the place has a question mark for Mona's birth
Monica
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