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Topic: Scott/Adoption/1919..need help! (Read 3727 times)
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Daisy Loo
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I thought I would post this letter, as it is the statement, where she signs over the child....maybe not a person hired to do the job then?
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BARNETT- Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Dorset HILSDEN/HILLSDEN/HILLSDON- Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Canada PRESTIDGE/PRESTAGE- Warwickshire, Northamptonshire, Islington PINNIGER/PINEGAR/PINNEGAR - Wiltshire Branmbleby - Kent, Middlesex
LEACH- Norfolk BUTTERWORTH - Lancashire OTTON - Somerset LAWRENCE - Berkshire
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Valda
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So other than the foster parents thinking it was Highgate from something that was said at the time of the meeting which they might have inferred, or been given some deliberate misinformation, or even Mrs Scott (who may herself be a foster parent of some sort) not actually knowing for sure, there is no evidence from the letters that Mona Julia was born in England -
for example there was a Mona J who arrived into the country with an age given as 2 and a half on 31st May 1919 - incoming from Canada.
The 2nd April 1916 was indeed a Sunday so that knowledge in the letter is very specific.
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Valda
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Valda
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How old was Mrs Scott when the foster parents me her - young, middle aged? What physical descriptions have been passed down of her? Did she for instance have the same colouring as Mona?
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Valda
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Valda
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It was Muir. No reason to suspect it is her as she is also a little too young, but it was an example to illustrate the possibility that Mona Julia may not have had an English birth which would account for the lack of registration.
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Valda
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dawnsh
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Just to let you know I've checked the electoral rolls for 13 New Quebec Street.
In 1918 and 1919, the eligible voter is John Funnell, the address is listed as a business property.
However in 1920 he is joined by
Funnell, Harriet
Henry, Thomas William
Scott, Samuel William
Samuel William Scott is listed there until 1922, he is not listed in 1923.
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avm228
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I think Highgate was under EDMONTON registration district (incidently...it seems to be quite an affluent area)
Coming into this poignant story rather late on...
Are you sure Highgate was still registering in Edmonton by the relevant time? I don't have details to hand but I certainly recall that my Highgate ancestors were registering their BMD in St Pancras by the turn of the 20th century.
(I know this doesn't solve the problem in any event  )
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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wrighk00
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Below is a copy of the answer I received this morning from the archivist at the Portman Estate which owns this and surrounding properties. Funnell was the man who had a business on the ground floor and seems to have leased the building later on.
Thank you for your enquiry. The estate’s records show only the names of lessees, not occupiers or sub-tenants so I regret we cannot be of direct help to you on this. In 1919 13 New Quebec Street was still subject to a 56 year lease granted in 1870 to Edward S Jones and assigned in 1883 to another member of his family. A new lease was issued in 1928 to a John Funnell.
If you have not already contacted them you would be able to find more details about the occupiers of this property from the City of Westminster Archives Centre, a collection which is fully open to the public. Their website is www.westminster.gov.uk/archives The best sources to try would probably be street directories, the St Marylebone rate books and possibly the electoral registers for 1919, all of which you would find there.
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wrighk00
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Nothing. I'm getting concerned as my sister-in-law ordered one two weeks after me and she was told she would get it this week. I'm not sure how to go about contacting them to see.
I also learned that Mona had not realized she was adopted until she was 12 and an older cousin told her. This seems a bit surprising that she has no memory for something that would have been such a big transition, but not entirely impossible for her to have had memories she had not associated with before the switch. But that means that there is very little first person record.
Thanks for checking in.
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Daisy Loo
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I have read somewhere that there is a delay in certs, as the volume of ordering is very high.
Wow, in some ways then, it could mean that she was a happy child, and that parting from her birth mother wasn't too traumatic, if she couldn't remember. Mind you, how much does one really remember from the age of 3? So the letters were kept by her new mother, and obviously passed on to her.
I do hope something turns up! I'll keep checking in though 
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BARNETT- Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Dorset HILSDEN/HILLSDEN/HILLSDON- Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Canada PRESTIDGE/PRESTAGE- Warwickshire, Northamptonshire, Islington PINNIGER/PINEGAR/PINNEGAR - Wiltshire Branmbleby - Kent, Middlesex
LEACH- Norfolk BUTTERWORTH - Lancashire OTTON - Somerset LAWRENCE - Berkshire
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wrighk00
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Fern says that she had a very happy childhood.
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Maddie
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Having only just read this extremely poignant thread I hope you don't mind if I put down my thoughts. My initial reaction on reading the first letter was that it hadn't been written by the mother. I thought perhaps a Governess but then on reading more & seeing the last letter & the signature which looks very much like Mr A T Scott, could it possibly be the father who has given up his little girl. Particularly as she would be going to a loving mother.
Is it possible that he has returned from the Great War to find that his wife has died & he is not able to care for his daughter. Because of the mention of the Ration Book & the fact that the Nurse had lost it it does sound as though the parent wasn't there to supervise.
I'm probably completely wrong about this & I do wish you all the luck in the world & hope you have a happy & successful conclusion.
Best wishes
Maddie
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