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brolga
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Hello everyone.
I am researching some of my great^3-grandparents:
German Dean b c.1821 (Kirk Ireton) and Elizabeth nee Needham b c.1823.
I have found them -- married -- in the 1851 census using
the Wirksworth records available at http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/CENSUS.htm
(and subsequently) but cannot find either of them in 1841.
I was wondering whether anyone can help with this.
Incidentally, does anyone know the background of the first-name 'German'?
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ricky1
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Hi
1841 has this family
John Dean 50 farmer born in county
Sarah " 50 "
German " 14 "
Samuel " 12 "
Elizabeth "15 "
living at Kirk Ireton, Wirksworth, Derbyshire
H0107/ 198/1
folio 9
page 13
Age is a bit out,but normaly are on the 1841
ricky
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ricky1
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Hi
I see by the 1861 staying with German and Elizabeth Dean is her father down as Thomas Leedham? Which I suppose could be Needham. I can only find one Thomas Needham on the 1841 of the right age , and he is not with his family
There are a couple of Elizabeth Needhams of the right age, but I wouldnt like to say which is which, Your best bet is to get the marriage cert just to make sure who her father is.
ricky
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brolga
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Ricky:
Thanks for the effort, ... but that is the wrong German D.
The one I am looking for had parents David & Mary whom I have found in KI in 1841 census.
It seems that German was a common-ish first name amongst that family.
The Brolga
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ricky1
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Hi
Have you got the marriage cert for German Dean and Elizabeth Needham 
ricky
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ricky1
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Hi
There is a German Dean aged 20 M.S born in county
living at Bradley, Debyshire
H0107/ 179/11a
folio 6
page 6
ricky
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spendlove
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Hi,
The marriage took place at Parish Church, Duffield 28.1.1851, just prior to the Census of 1851.
German Dean Father = David Dean
Elizabeth Needham Father = Thomas Needham
In the 1851 Census, Elizabeth states she was born Biggin, Derbyshire later Census states Turnditch, Derbyshire.
Her Father, Thomas Needham born abt 1788 on the 1861 Census states he was born Bradley, Derbyshire.
Not managed to find the Needhams on the 1841 Census - but still looking.
Spendlove
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brolga
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Ricky:
The marriage certificate has arrived.
Thomas Needham was a labourer.
German & Elizabeth were living in Windley at the time of their marriage in Duffield.
This was wirtnessed by Millicent Needham & Joseph Lee, if those names help.
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ricky1
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Hi Brolga
did it say on the marriage cert that German's father was David
regards
ricky
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brolga
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yes, German's father was David who was also a labourer.
(As confirmation, his death certificate also lists David.)
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ricky1
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1841
David Dean 50 ag lab born in county
Mary " 50 "
Lydia " 15 "
Mary " 14 "
Joseph " 11 ? "
living at Ireton Kirk, Wirksworth, Derbyshire
H0107/ 198/ 1
folio 13
page 21
just wondering if the one living with John and Sarah Dean that I gave earlier is the correct one living with relies
ricky
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brolga
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Ricky:
According to IGI, John & Sarah had a son German bapt in 1827.
Unusual as it is, it was a common family name for the Kirk Ireton Deans.
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ricky1
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Ricky:
According to IGI, John & Sarah had a son German bapt in 1827.
Unusual as it is, it was a common family name for the Kirk Ireton Deans.
well that b*ggered my theory then
ricky
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ricky1
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The one on the 1841 I gave living at Bradley might be him then
Jonathon Marpee? 38 farmer born in county
William " 50 " "
Ann Marley? 22? F S "
Thomas Stafford? 22? M S "
German Dean 20 M S "
William Farce? 15 M S "
Jacob Lamb? 14 M S "
living at Bradley, Appletree, Ashbourne, Derbyshire
H0107/ 179/11a
folio 6
page 6
on the 1841 David and Mary Dean and family came under the Ashbourne reg district
regards
ricky
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brolga
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At least, consistent with all else that is known.
Thanks.
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