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Topic: Kilner in Denby and a 1841 census look up please (Read 148 times)
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Holmemoss
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Benjamin Kilner was a soldier stationed on the Ionian Islands and died at the Regimental Hospital on Corfu 23 Nov 1836. His wife Mary returned to England following his death.
http://website.lineone.net/~remosliema/Ionian1.htm
Hannah KILNER, born on Santa Maura
Harriet KILNER, born on Zante
Mary Anne KILNER, born on Corfu
Peter KILNER, born on Corfu
Ruth KILNER, born on Corfu
William KILNER, born on Cephalonia
The are a large number of Kilners around Denby and although I have not been able to find a connection between these families and Benjamin, his widow Mary came to Denby on her return to England.
A daughter, Sarah Eliza Kilner, was baptised at Denby on 30 Jan 1838 - over 12 months after Benjamin's death. I have not been able to find a baptism for any of the other children.
Any advice would be most welcome and I should appreciate a look up in the 1841 census for Mary Kilner and her daughter Sarah Eliza Kilner. Mary married Benjamin in 1816 so she would be over 40 years old in 1841 and as Benjamin died in 1836 then Sarah Eliza must have been at least 5 years old.
Thank you.
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Manchester Rambler
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The IGI entry for Sarah Eliza's baptism states that she was born 3 May 1838 - I'm not sure whether her mother is Benjamin's widow or not.
This could be them in 1841:
HO107/1324 7 6 - Upper Denby, Yorks
William KILNER - 50 - Fancy Weaver
Jane KILNER - 50 - Fancy Weaver
Mary KILNER - 25 - ?? Maker
John KILNER - 20 - Fancy Weaver
Sarah KILNER - 20 - Fancy Weaver
Charles KILNER - 12
Jane KILNER - 10
Elizabeth KILNER - 10
Sarah KILNER - 3
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HO107/2334 229 24 - Denby, Yorks
William KILNER - Head - Wid - 63 - Fancy Weaver now Ag Lab - Denby
Charles KILNER - Son - 22 - Fancy Harris Tweed Weaver - Denby
Elizabeth KILNER - Dau - 19 - House Maid at Home - Denby
Sarah Eliza KILNER - Grand-Dau - 12 - Errand Girl - Denby
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Holmemoss
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Thank you, Rambler.
It looks as though the Sarah Eliza baptised in 1838 is the illegitimate daughter of Mary Kilner and I am, therefore, barking up the wrong tree altogether.
I shall have to go back to the drawing board and put my thinking cap on.
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Holmemoss
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I you don't mind, can you please check in 1841 for
Hannah Kilner, born 1822/3, on the Ionian Islands
William Kilner, born 1824/5, on the Ionian Islands
Harriet Kilner, born 1826/7, on the Ionian Islands
Ruth Kilner, born 1831/2, on the Ionian Islands
If they are not present in the census then it would seem the widowed Mary Kilner did not return to England before 1841.
Thank you.
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Manchester Rambler
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I haven't located any of the family so far on the UK censuses - unless they're badly mistrancribed (or I'm missing something obvious!), it looks as though they may have stayed in Corfu. 
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Holmemoss
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My old computer crashed disastrously a few months ago. I have had to rebuild my family tree without a lot of the source information; just some notes and I have made some comments that the surname was sometimes transcribed as 'Kinder'.
Benjamin was the son of Abraham Kilner and Hannah Taylor (I know little about them other than their marriage at St Peter's Church, Huddersfield on 8 Feb 1796) and Benjamin was baptised at St Peter's Church, Huddersfield on 4 Jun 1797. Benjamin married Mary Singleton at St Mary's Church, Elland on 13 Oct 1816.
It may be I am totally wrong about the Denby connection and that the widow Mary and her children went back to the Elland area.
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Manchester Rambler
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I think I've located Ruth now:
Marriages Jun 1849
CLAY George
KILNER Ruth
Huddersfield 22 250
1851
HO107/2297 40 43 - Clarks Green, Rastrick, Yorks
George CLAY - Head - 31 - Cloth Dresser - Huddersfield
Ruth CLAY - Wife - 19 - Corfu (British Subject)
Benj. CLAY - Son - 1 mo - Rastrick
She's on all censuses up to 1901 - let me know if you want the details of her family.
Off to hunt for the others now!
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Harriet is working as a servant in Huddersfield in 1851 - I don't know how I missed her earlier. (HO107/2295 556 7) I haven't spotted a death or marriage for her yet.
Here's Hannah:
Marriages Jun 1848
KILNER Hannah
NOBLE Luke
Halifax 22 158
1851
HO107/2299 17 26 - South Gate, Elland, Yorks
Luke NOBLE - Head - 32 - Engineer - Elland
Hannah NOBLE - Wife - 27 - Coast of Egypt (British Subject)
Mary E NOBLE - Dau - 2 - Elland
On later censuses, Hannah's birthplace is given as Ionian Iland (sic), Corfu and Santa Mara - let me know if you want details of her family.
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Harriet in 1841 - found her!
HO107/1299 (folio number missing) page 1
Armley Top, Elland, Yorks
Harriot KILNER - 13 - Servant - Foreign Parts
She's probably in service with the LINDLEY family listed just above her, but the enumerator seems to have marked her on her own in a separate household.
So presumably the rest of the family are somewhere in the Elland area - I shall keep hunting....
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Holmemoss
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Thank you, Rambler.
I have found this site
http://www.c5d.co.uk/chaplainsbirths.htm
with
Hannah Kilner Cephalonia 11 82
Harriet Kilner Corfu 11 84
Mary Anne Kilner Corfu 11 81
Peter Kilner Corfu 11 154
Ruth Kilner Corfu 11 206
William Kilner Cephalonia 11 84
Unfortunately the chap wants £10.60 for each certificate.
If Harriet is back in England in 1841 then I presume it is reasonable to assume the rest of the family were also.
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Manchester Rambler
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I would presume they're all in England - Harriet seems too young to have come back on her own? I'm wondering whether Mary remarried, and the others are listed under her husband's surname, although I've tried searching just on first names and looking for one the right age born in "Foreign Parts". 1841 is annoying, of course, with not giving full birthplaces.
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Holmemoss
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Thank you for all you have done so far, Rambler. I hadn't thought of that to be honest. I have just checked on the FreeBMD and there is a marriage of a Mary Kilner in the Halifax registration district in the September quarter of 1839:
Marriages Sep 1839 (>99%)
ANDERSON John Wilson Halifax 22 126
BARRITT Hannah Halifax 22 126
BRADLEY Sarah Halifax 22 126
CRAWSHAW Nathan Halifax 22 126
KILNER Mary Halifax 22 126
MAUDE Hannah Mitchell Halifax 22 126
Tiffin John Halifax 22 126
WINTERBOTTOM John Halifax 22 126
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Holmemoss
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I am trying to track down a Mary Kilner who came back to WRY following the death of her soldier husband, Benjamin Kilner. With help from Rambler it seems she didn't go to Denby as I previously thought but to the Halifax area.
I found a possible marriage for Mary in 1839, prior to the 1841 census, so if someone has the time may I please ask if they can check to see if a Mary Anderson (husband John Wilson), Mary Crawshaw (husband Nathan), Mary Tiffin (husband John) or a Mary Winterbottom (husband John) is in the Halifax area in 1841.
Unfortunately, I do not know Mary's age but Benjamin was born in 1797 so I suppose she would be aged around 40. There may be several children of her in the household; Hannah (aged 17/18), William (aged 15/16), Ruth (aged 8/9) Mary Anne (age unknown) and Peter (age unknown).
Thank you.
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