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Fergie38
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Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« on: Saturday 03 October 09 20:28 UTC (UK) »
I was wondering if anyone could help with this particular brick wall.

Margaret Dollar was my g g grandmother. She was the illegitimate child of Mary Ferguson but I can find no trace of a birth for her.
I suspect that her mother is the Mary Ferguson who married Peter Ferguson, father of Daniel (That would make Margaret her husbands step sister ?)




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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 November 09 23:27 UTC (UK) »
hi Fergie
Could you post any certificates you have?
BTW is that Kilgour any relation to the man who seems to have been registrar thee for a while? The name is on a lot of my certificates.
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 November 09 23:32 UTC (UK) »
Hi
Have you looked at the original 1841 census? Looks like the Margaret who is living with her there is the same person noted to be her aunt in 1851. ...
Are you sure her mother isn't Elizabeth from the 1841 census? (Who would be Margaret's older sister) Perhaps the age is wrongly transcribed in 1841 for Elizabeth? Maybe she is 30 not 20? Or maybe she was 24 and rounded it down to 20 so was actually 13 when she gave birth - unusual but not impossible!
I can't find any other dollars in Kincardine but there were some in Stirling Falkirk Airthrie and Alloa. Unusual name. Odd she didn't take her mother's name as is common where the birth is illegitimate.
Have you found her death cert?
If you went to the Council Archives in Stirling and looked at the Kirk Session Minutes you might find reference to the birth - fulminating about fornication etc!
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 November 09 23:35 UTC (UK) »
Hello Val
Could you be a bit more specific as to what certificates you would like me to post.

The name 'Kilgour' certainly does appear on lots of certificates for the area but I have been (as yet) unable to make a connection between that 'Kilgour' and the one on the above chart.
The name was not common in the area so there may well be a family link.

ps...I have just noticed that Robert Kilgour was born in 1855.   Smiley

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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 November 09 23:38 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: valr on Thursday 05 November 09 23:32 UTC (UK)
have you looked at the original 1841 census? Could the Margaret who is living with her there be her mother, with her age given as 17 when it should be eg 27? I see she is a dressmaker ...

Yes I have checked that census.
Margaret Dollar's death certificate gives her mothers name a being 'Mary Ferguson'
I have not got a death certificate for Mary Ferguson but I think she was still living in 1885.
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 November 09 23:50 UTC (UK) »
So were Margaret and Elizabeth in the 1841 both her aunts ie sisters of Mary? Perhaps Mary died i.e it is a different Mary to the one who married Peter Ferguson..
Have you looked for death of Mary Ferguson in Kincardine 1830-1841? (oops forgot - that is pre 1855. Still, perhaps she did die and you are looking at the wrong Mary ferguson?)
And is Margaret Dollars death cert silent on who her father was?
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 November 09 00:16 UTC (UK) »
I have long wondered about the blank space
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 November 09 00:41 UTC (UK) »
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 08 November 09 13:11 UTC (UK) »
I see your problem!
Do you think maybe Mary went away to stay somewhere else and have the baby? Margaret's birth may be registered in a different parish? It might be registered under either Dollar or Ferguson... and there might be something in the register of corrected entries.
I cant see any Margaret Dollars anywhere in 1830.... and 55 Margaret Fergusons!  Huh
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 November 09 14:52 UTC (UK) »
And what makes it more annoying is that I'm sure there is a John Dollar working at Roberson Lane Farm in one of the other census returns.
It's on one of my lost files though. Lost when my 'C' drive stopped working earlier this year and refused give up anything stored on it.

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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 November 09 19:58 UTC (UK) »
This chap is too young - I wonder what the connection is!?


1881 Scotland Census
about John Dollar
Name:    John Dollar
Age:    16
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1865
Relationship:    Servant
Gender:    Male
Where born:    Dunfermline, Stirlingshire
Registration Number:    364
Registration district:    Kincardine
Civil parish:    Kincardine
County:    Perthshire
Address:    Robertsons Lane
Occupation:    Farm Serv.
ED:    1
Household schedule number:    67
Line:    16
Roll:    cssct1881_105
Household Members:    
Name    Age
Peter Ferguson    80
Mary Ferguson    71
Robert Nicol    21
John Dollar    16
Janet Peterson    17

I cant find a birth for him in Dunfermline or Stirlingshire. There is a possibility in Logie b 1864, son of William and Mary Stewart.
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 November 09 20:17 UTC (UK) »
Here are all the Dollars born in Kincardine according to the IGI..

The only Dollars I have found in the census are your relative and John from the 1881 census. Looks like Wm John or James below might be candidates for her dad?   



1. MARY DOLLAR  - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 DEC 1707 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   2. MARGT. DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 FEB 1722 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   3. JOHN DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 DEC 1717 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   4. JAMES DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JUN 1710 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   5. JANET DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 MAR 1697 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   6. ROBERT DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1700 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   1. MARY DOLLAR  - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 DEC 1778 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   2. MARGT. DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 NOV 1810 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   3. WILLM. DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 NOV 1772 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   4. WILLIAM DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAY 1799 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   5. JOHN DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 JUN 1807 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   6. ISOBEL DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 JAN 1805 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   7. JAMES OR WILLIAM DOLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 APR 1775 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   8. JAMES DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 DEC 1802 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   9. JANET DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAY 1801 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
   10. RALPH DUNDAS DOLLAR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 OCT 1815 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 09 November 09 16:28 UTC (UK) »
Thank you Val for the searching you have done on this brick wall of mine. It has given me ideas on routes to follow but all leading to dead ends.
This problem has more twists and turns that a barrel full of monkeys.

I tried a search on Elizabeth on the 1841 census and it looks like she was, or could be, the daughter of Daniel Ferguson and Janet McLaren. But doing a children search on that couple only results in even more puzzles.

You are probably correct on the parents on our John Dollar in the 1881 census. The mere fact though that he is there working on the Ferguson farm would not only indicate that he is a relative of Margaret's but that the two families kept in touch and were not exactly strangers to each other.

Looks like I will be forced to draw a curtain over this one but it's like a niggling toothache that will just not go away.

Cheers.
I'm away to dive back in again.   Undecided
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 09 November 09 20:19 UTC (UK) »
Yes it does suggest that there was no bad blood between the Dollars and the Fergusons if he was employed there!
I think your best bet is going to be a rake around the Kirk Session records in Stirling I'm afraid!
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Re: Ferguson's of Kincardine (again)
« Reply #14 on: Monday 09 November 09 20:52 UTC (UK) »
There are no records for Kincardine Parish Church.

Some thick dozy council workers dumped all the files that were destined for Stirling Archives then the same  dozy workmen  delivered all the paper work that was meant to be dumed, to the archives department.
It was only when the time came to file and catalogue the files that the mistake was noticed.

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