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Topic: 1841 lookup David Davies (Read 123 times)
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VivienR
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Hi
Hoping someone can help me find this family in the 1841 census - not having any luck on my own.
David Davies b 1812 Carn Ddu Cardiganshire
Jennet or Jane Davies b 1812 Brecon
Margaret Davies b 1831 Cwym Wyss, Brecon
Ann Davies b 1834 Cwym wyss or Trecastle, Brecon
Hannah Davies b 1836 Brecon
they had a son David born 1843 in Brecon - Pwall y Med so they should be in Brecon in 1841 but by 1851 they were in Glamorgan.
Thanks for any help you can give me
Vivien
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greensleeves
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Hi Vivien
Is this the family in the 1851 census at Dowlais: P. 2459; Fol 313, p. 61?
I don't know if you know the area, but Trecastle (Trecastell), Cwmwysg and Llywel are all interlinked and there is still a very large Davies presence in that area. There are also very strong traditional links with the village of Myddfai (often written as Mothvey) which is the other side of the mountain, so to speak, but the villages share common grazing land. Having said this, I'm still none the wiser after a search of the 1841 census. There are a few possibles I'll follow up later, but if you could let me know if the family in the 1851 is correct, that would help.
Regards,
Greensleeves
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VivienR
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Hi Greensleeves
Yes that's the Davies family I am looking for.
I had a great stroke of luck last night when I noticed that someone on here had mentioned that Ancestry has Brecon marriages from 1813-1837 on line which was very helpful as Jonet as she is listed there had married twice.
I was also on Freereg to see what was new there and found the family from Llywel there and if I hadn't known that she was married twice I would have not been able to connect the children to the family.
Still with all that good fortune I can't find the family together in 1841. I had noticed that there was a lot of Davies in the area. I don't know the area but I do know more than I did before. I don't know what I would do without Genuki.
thanks for any help you can give me Greensleeves.
Vivien
on the west coast of Canada
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Quebec: Gagnon, Claveau, Ouellet, Berube, Levesque
Finland: Lunelund, Rabb, Wahlstedt, Nasman, Varg, Svarfar, Hurr
Somerset: Gillard, Chislett, Gardner, England
Glamorgan: Phillips, Jones, Frances, James
German Russia: Rexin, Hagen, Oppenlaender
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greensleeves
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Hi Vivien
Well, like you I have trawled through the 1841 and can't find the family intact. How frustrating! Let's hope that one of the expert searchers here will turn up and give a hand. I know I've had some brilliant help on these boards.
I used to live in Trecastle, and the house we lived in was owned by a Davies family at one time and (if I remember correctly) the owner emigrated to the US. Amongst the title deeds was a conveyance of the property in Trecastle which he had signed in Philadelphia in the mid 1800s. Now, I wonder where I put my notes in relation to this..... If I find them I'll give you what info I have on that particular branch of the Davies family.
You may be interested to know that the main part of the village is Trecastle, whilst the church is about half a mile down the road at Llywel. The parish is also known as Llywel. Trecastle used to be a busy little town, but when the railway came to the area, it stopped two miles short of Trecastle at a village called Sennybridge. As a result, the cattle market was transferred to Sennybridge, as was a lot of other business. Trecastle fell into a spectacular decline economically, which accounts for why many of its inhabitants of those days left to seek their fortunes in the industrialised valleys, or in some cases, much further afield.
I have a book called Roots & Branches which gives details of many of the Trecastle and Llywel families. I'll have a look through and see if there is any reference to the Davies family of Llywel.
Regards,
Greensleeves
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VivienR
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Hi Greensleeves
Thanks so much for your efforts. I shared the information I just found with a relative and he found a picture of the church in Llywel so that was nice to see.
Yes I have had some wonderful help from the experts here who found families when I was stuck.
I would be interested in whatever you can find about the Davies family. it seems Jonet was a Davies who married first a John Davies and then a David Davies so there is hopefully a connection to the branch you mentioned. I'll have to take a look at the US records to see what I can find for Philadelphia. Pennsylvania doesn't seem to want to share their genealogy records on line as I've had other Welsh relatives end up there there's no access to birth, marriage or death records unfortunately.
Regards
Vivien
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Quebec: Gagnon, Claveau, Ouellet, Berube, Levesque
Finland: Lunelund, Rabb, Wahlstedt, Nasman, Varg, Svarfar, Hurr
Somerset: Gillard, Chislett, Gardner, England
Glamorgan: Phillips, Jones, Frances, James
German Russia: Rexin, Hagen, Oppenlaender
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greensleeves
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Hi Vivien
Well, I have hunted high and low through the 1841 census without success. I am wondering if the family was split up at that time - there are various entries which could be individual members of the family but nowhere can I find them together. Driving me bonkers! Of course, it doesn't help, does it, that it's the 1841, so info is scarce to say the least.
I have also been trying to trace back the Davies family which at one time owned the house I lived in in Trecastle. When I lived there it was known as Bear House, but formerly it was a pub called The Bear. But once again, the census returns are not terribly helpful because the 1841 doesn't give the addesses - how annoying!
You may be interested to know that nearly all the families in Llywel/Trecastle/Traeanglas are related so even if the name is not the same, it is likely that there is a familial connection. I am continuing to search the census returns to try to match the Bear House Davies family with yours, which would be a nice thing as I have (somewhere) photos of them.
Anyway, this post is just to say that I haven't forgotten you - I just haven't had any success yet. I did find a family tree on the internet which had the same people as you, but Jennet/Janet was listed as Jane. Not sure if you are aware of this?
Regards,
Greensleeves
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Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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VivienR
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Hi Greensleeves
thanks so much for you efforts - I was wondering also if the family was split up for the 1841 census because I found children with similiar names and ages staying with other families but no parents.
Yes I am familiar with the family tree on Ancestry - there are about three of us that I know of researching this family. In the 1851 cenus Jonet is listed as Jennet and in 1861 she is Jane.
There seems to be a lot of Davies in the area - too bad Free Reg has only a limited number of baptisms. I have been meaning to check and see if LDS has parish records for this area.
Thanks again, Greensleeves.
Regards Vivien
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Quebec: Gagnon, Claveau, Ouellet, Berube, Levesque
Finland: Lunelund, Rabb, Wahlstedt, Nasman, Varg, Svarfar, Hurr
Somerset: Gillard, Chislett, Gardner, England
Glamorgan: Phillips, Jones, Frances, James
German Russia: Rexin, Hagen, Oppenlaender
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