wilcoxon
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I`ve just done a `wild card` search for Beddowes in Wrexham in 1911
(FREE) and there were 23 with that name, or very close.
I wonder if Ethels husband was related to any of them. It would be very odd for her to come from Oldham to Wrexham for no reason and then give birth to a child James by another man ( Brett) so soon after the death of young William.
So far I can`t find a death of John William Beddowes at all around that time.
Beddows is not a common name for the Wrexham District and there are very few before 1900 in Free BMD
Most were registered in Llanfylin and Oswestry disrtict including this one.
Births Mar 1883
BEDDOWS John William Oswestry 6a 715
I guess though that it`s the William Brett father of James that you are more interested in 
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tilly25
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Hi
It is William Brett father of James that I am interested in, have just come back from the national archives and I can't find a marriage between Ethel Beddowes (beddoes, beddows) and William Brett at all.
Just hope that the birth certificate for William beddowes produces some info.
Judy
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tilly25
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Hi
I have received William Beddowes birth cert today (although there is suppose to be a postal strike) Great news, I think we have solved the enigma thanks for all your help
William Beddowes son of John William Beddowes and Ethel Beddowes formerly LAW. It definately states Law and not Lowe on the birth cert
so this follows on with the death of Baby William in 1915 and on the death certificate it states mother Ethel Beddowes now wife of William Brett.
So either John William Beddowes died ( I thought I had found that but couldn't locate that record again yesterday) or they divorced.
William Brett death cert that I have hopefully is the correct person as a coal miner hewer and he died in 1958 in lancs, death was registered by a daughter A Harrison this could be one of the daughters of Ethel and John W Beddowes.
(Alice and Agnes) possible Step daughters
Judy
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winston
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That is "bleep" fantastic I'll have a look later on this afternoon to see if anything else can be found.
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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tilly25
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Have spent most of the afternoon looking for a marriage between William Brett and Ethel Beddowes(Lowe/Law) using all variations with no success. I am assuming that they married in the wrexham or lancs/cheshire area
Does ancestry and find my past have every marriage listed on their site or is it a matter looking at micro fiche in Kew or Westminster archives
Judy
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winston
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As far as I am aware Ancestry and FMP do have full indexes.
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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wilcoxon
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This is totally a `shot in the dark ` and I suppose only a marriage certificate or her pob from 1911 will solve it .
Ethels dob matched the 1911 census found. Oldham again. At least the fathers have unusual names.
1901 RG13; Piece: 3820; Folio: 88
53 Mustard St,  Oldham
Abraham Law 53 Gen Lab b Hepstonstall, Yorks.
Sarah Ann Law 47 b ditto
Ethel Law 14 cotton winder b Oldham
David Livingstone Law 9 b "
Alice Law 6 b "
Eveline Law 4 b "
But there is this one was well
1901 RG13; Piece: 3837; Folio: 94; Page: 6.
All born Rochdale
590 Whitworth Road ,Spotland Near side. Rochdale
Edmund Law 41 Cotton beamer ?
Louisa Law 38
Ethel Law 14 cotton twister and winder
Mirian Law 11
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maidmarion
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Hi Judy,
There are errors and marriages missed from Freebmd as you would expect with any transcripts but it may be that they just never married. 
You would get her fathers name by obtaining the cert from her first marriage.
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maidmarion
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I wonder if John William Beddowes could have joined up.
There is a medal card for Pte John William Beddowes, Manchester regiment, 376602
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wilcoxon
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Hmmm, Oldham again.
http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2009/02/10th-manchester-regiment.html
The 10th Manchesters, headquartered at Oldham, was a Territorial Force battalion which, prior to 1908, had been the 6th Volunteer Battalion, the Manchester Regiment. I list below, sample army service numbers and corresponding joining dates for the 10th Battalion, The Manchester Regiment.
When the Territorial Force re-numbered in 1917, the 10th Battalion, Manchester Regiment, was allocated numbers within the block 375001 to 400000.
Here are some six digit numbers for the 10th Manchesters
376545 originally joined on 27th September 1915
376679 originally joined on 11th November 1915
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wilcoxon
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Here are your Beddowes family in the last census. Married 3 years
This is probably Ethel the daughter of Abraham Law.
It shows that Ethel was born in Oldham which is of some help.
BEDDOWES, John William Head 28 Cardroomjobber b 1883 Lancs Oldham
Ethel Wife 24 b 1887 Lancs Oldham
Agnes Dau 2 b1909 Lancs Oldham
Alice Dau 1 b 1910 Lancs Oldham
Looks like the daughter Agnes died in 1913 at age of 4 in Oldham
1901 RG13; Piece: 3814; Folio: 28; Page: 2.
This could be John William, but it`s not an easy one. Similer job, same pob,
20 Beever St. Oldham.
Peter Curran head,32 cardroom jobber b Manchester.
Fanny wife 33 b Oldham
Mary Ellen dau S 12 b Oldham
John Beddowes S , stepbrother 20 Cotton lap feeder ( card) b Oldham.
Hannah Dollen S step sister 16 b Oldham
Nothing on William Brett
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tilly25
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Thanks for all your help on that.
Will return to Kew next week and look for William Bretts marriage on microfiche and let you know how I get on.
Judy
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wilcoxon
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I wonder if John William Beddowes could have joined up.
There is a medal card for Pte John William Beddowes, Manchester regiment, 376602
376545 originally joined on 27th September 1915
376679 originally joined on 11th November 1915
William Beddowes died March 1915.
James Brett born July/ Aug/Sept ? 1915,
JW Beddowes could have joined up between the dates above.( if same one)
It might be worth you trying to find Military records for J W Beddowes, while you are at Kew, they do give family details and adresses. He could be Ethels husband.
http://www.tameside.gov.uk/archives/familyhistory/military
Good luck.
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