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Topic: Searching in Lambeth, Surrey for Edumund Symmons (Read 424 times)
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Peter H
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Hi Roby,
East Surrey Family History Society have been transcribing St Mary Lambeth's registers for some time and will be publishing baptisms soon (a lot of the marriages and burials have already been published). The advantage over Ancestry (apart from the accuracy of transcription I suspect) is that the entries have been indexed. I have been looking through the draft baptisms and found your Edmund. He is there as Edmund SIMMONDS, son of Francis and Mary and was baptised on 15 March 1786.
Good luck with the next stage.
Peter
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salcombeborn
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Hi,
Edmund Symmons born 1786 was my ggggrandfather. Good timing, as I too was stuck on this, but just this morning I found info. about his marriage to Mary Ann Eagles on 2nd November 1811 in the presence of Thomas Symmons and Charlotte Sophie Symmons - who are hopefully (!) his parents. This was on new London Parish records. Do get in touch, would love to know if we are related. Virginia.
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salcombeborn
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Hi Peter,
Am new to this website. I was browsing and suddenly saw the name Edmund Symmons b. 1786. I have replied to Roby with my info., saying that I had just found the parents (hopefully) of Edmund, Thomas and Charlotte Sophie, but my problem is going back from there. I wonder if you have any ideas? Thank you. Virginia
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Peter H
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Hi Virginia,
I'm afraid you have jumped to the wrong conclusion about Edmund's parents. His parents are Francis and Mary SIMMONDS (or SYMMONS or any other of the several variations that appear in the registers!) as I pointed out in my reply to Roby. The Thomas and Charlotte Sophia that were witnesses at Edmund's marriage were in fact his brother and sister. They were baptised on31 August 1788 and 11 September 1791 respectively at St Mary Lambeth.
You need to search for the marriage of Francis SIMMONDS to Mary, I would suggest around 1786, as I don't believe there were any other children born before that, although there could have been some baptised elsewhere of course, so give it a wide range. I haven't had a chance to look at the St Mary Lambeth marriage register yet, but I will try to do so soon.
I'm not sure you will get much of a response from Roby in the near future, as she doesn't appear to have logged on to the web site since leaving her query nearly a month ago. Perhaps she is on a long holiday.
Regards
Peter
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salcombeborn
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Hi Peter,
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer. You're right. It occurred to me after I'd logged off that they could be bro. and sis. Had a whole host of emails from Carol Middleton who is researching this family with me, confirming this and giving the info. you also kindly gave. We are chipping away at this family (Edmund is my direct relative) so any bright thoughts you may have in future would be most welcome. Virginia
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roby
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Dear All,
Thank you everyone for your enthusatic replies. Yes Peter I have been on a long holiday and I have just logged in after replying to Virginia via Genes reunited re: Charlotte and Thomas being siblings.
I believe I have located other siblings, [/b]Francis Simmons born to Francis Simmons and Mary 3/10/1775, baptised 29/10/1775 at Christchurch Southwark.[b] On this baptism it notes father as [/b]Francis Blair Simmons, a surveyor[b] Many thanks to the curate who recorded this, you can be lucky sometimes 
I have also located an Elizabeth Simmons, parents Francis and Mary Simmons, baptised 31/1/1784 at St. Mary's Lambeth.
On the IGI a marriage exists between a Mary Faulkner and Francis Symmons on 25/9/1774, just right for Francis bapt in 10/1775. The marriage states he was of St. Martin's in the Field. I then find a baptism for a Francis Blayer (?Blair) Symmons on 7/1/1750 at St. Martins in the Field (IGI) with parents Edward Symmons and Frances I then find a marriage for a Edward Symmons and Frances Allen who were married 14/2/1774 (IGI).
An Edward Symmons and Frances also had other children Frances x2 (? 2 baptisms) or 2 births and Catherine (IGI).
I would be keen to hear everyone's thoughts on these findings and assumptions.
I have researched extensively on this family and am happy to share what I have found.
Am I correct in assuming that some of the Westminister parishes are not on the LMA??
Peter, am I able to obtain a copy of the baptism or do I need to wait until they are available on line  many heartfelt thanks for this information as I have spent many hours perusing the L MA. So good work. 
I look forward to hearing everyones thoughts on these findings.
Regards
Roby
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Peter H
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Hi Roby,
Well done on finding the further information on the family. I haven't absorbed it all yet so won't comment on that now. I meant to have mentioned that Ancestry had missed the page with Edmund's baptism. It's not the only page they have missed, which rather brings their quality control into question. I have a copy of the page from the original register that I will scan and e-mail to you if you contact me direct with an e-mail address.
While on the subject, I presume you have the baptisms of Thomas Frederick in 1788 and Charlotte Sophia in 1791?
Finally, you are correct about the black hole on Ancestry that is Westminster. Ancestry have filmed the records at the LMA but most records in Westminster have been deposited at Westminster City Archives, which is determined to stay independent and out of the LMA's clutches. Their records are not available on line.
Regards
Peter
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NICE ONE PETER 
So once again many thanks as I would have kept searching in other parishes for Edmund Symmons. I think I will let ancestry know as others may be searching for this date as well.