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geejay1944
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Alexander Shellady was my Gt Grandfather,born 1855, he died in 1916 in Alexandra Park Military Hospital in Stockport Cheshire. He was 56yrs old, and died of natural causes.
In military records in Ancestry it says he was a Corporal in the Royal Defence Corps No 17103 Formerly 20601 Mon Regt How can i find his service record? as in 1881census when he was abt 25yrs old there is no record of him anywhere.
In 1861 when he was 5yrs,he is living in Jersey in Elizabeth Castle, with his family. His father William Shellady-born abt 1825 was a gunner in the Royal Artillery, the family were all born in Belfast,N.Ireland.
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km1971
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Welcome to RC. How the surviving service records are filed in Kew depend upon when the man was discharged - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/army/step4.htm . So for William his will be either in the series for 1855 to 1872; 1873 to 1882 or 1883 to 1900. I think that's correct. In all cases you will have to go to Kew; or employ a researcher; or wait for Findmypast to put them online (by 2011). If his papers have not survived you will have to use the muster books. Unfortunately there will be lots for the RA, so the first step would be to find which Battery/Company/Brigade/Division he served with. You may be able to find that out by listing the names of any officers in the census with him.
20602 in the Monmouthshire Regiment is likely to be WW1 as well. So he may not have had any previous army experience. You need to look on page one of the attestation/enlistment form. Half way down it will ask words to effect 'Have you had any previous experience'. If he says 'No', then all his service is included on his WW1 papers. If he had 'Yes' it will say with whom he served.
It is always a good idea to give the page number in Ancestry, so people can find what you have easily. It is by the green PREV/NEXT buttons.
Ken
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forester
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Ken,
I think the info is from SDGW.
It says enlisted Newport; resident Ebbw Vale (from the real version)
I think the Monmouths number is probably wrong. It may be four digits only, unless it was issued to 2nd Line possibly.
They were Territorials only.
Is this him in 1891 at Thomas Row, Beaufort, Ebbw Vale.
Alexander Shellady, age 33, Steel worker, born Belfast
Wife Mary Ann, age 31, born Burrowbridge Somerset
Children Henry A (11), Catherine (9) and Mary A (6), all born Burrowbridge.
RG12; Piece 4574; Folio 33; Page 22
Marriages Dec Qu. 1889
Taunton 5c 633
Alexander Shellady
Mary Ann Small
Second marriage?
Mary Ann may have been born in Taunton Reg District Sept Qu. 1885, but I can't find any birth record for Henry or Catherine in Somerset,
There is also an Alexander born Taunton, Dec Qu. 1889.
Phil
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geejay1944
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Sorry but i'm not sure how to access the attestation/enlistment form when i put this into the search in the National arcives i get loads of choices,can you explain please, i'm a complete novice with army records. thanks
Welcome to RC. How the surviving service records are filed in Kew depend upon when the man was discharged - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/army/step4.htm . So for William his will be either in the series for 1855 to 1872; 1873 to 1882 or 1883 to 1900. I think that's correct. In all cases you will have to go to Kew; or employ a researcher; or wait for Findmypast to put them online (by 2011). If his papers have not survived you will have to use the muster books. Unfortunately there will be lots for the RA, so the first step would be to find which Battery/Company/Brigade/Division he served with. You may be able to find that out by listing the names of any officers in the census with him. 20602 in the Monmouthshire Regiment is likely to be WW1 as well. So he may not have had any previous army experience. You need to look on page one of the attestation/enlistment form. Half way down it will ask words to effect 'Have you had any previous experience'. If he says 'No', then all his service is included on his WW1 papers. If he had 'Yes' it will say with whom he served. It is always a good idea to give the page number in Ancestry, so people can find what you have easily. It is by the green PREV/NEXT buttons. Ken
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geejay1944
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Yes this is the right person. in 1881 census Henry Albert was registered as H A Small-his mothers name. in 1891 the whole family lived at Ebbw Vale, the second daughter named as Catherine, is in fact named Caroline, but i cannot find a birth record for her either, in the name of Small or Shellady. The Second daughter, Mary Ann ,is my grandmother, i do have a birth record for her--1885, but Alexander and Mary Ann didn't marry until 1889.
I cannot find any record of him 1n 1871, but he would have only been 15 at the time so he could have been back in Ireland then. I also cannot find him in the 1881 census, when his first child was only 11mnths old---if indeed it was his child, and so i wondered if he was on active service at this time. I seem to have hit a wall for the moment
Ken,
I think the info is from SDGW.
It says enlisted Newport; resident Ebbw Vale (from the real version)
I think the Monmouths number is probably wrong. It may be four digits only, unless it was issued to 2nd Line possibly.
They were Territorials only.
Is this him in 1891 at Thomas Row, Beaufort, Ebbw Vale.
Alexander Shellady, age 33, Steel worker, born Belfast
Wife Mary Ann, age 31, born Burrowbridge Somerset
Children Henry A (11), Catherine (9) and Mary A (6), all born Burrowbridge.
RG12; Piece 4574; Folio 33; Page 22
Marriages Dec Qu. 1889
Taunton 5c 633
Alexander Shellady
Mary Ann Small
Second marriage?
Mary Ann may have been born in Taunton Reg District Sept Qu. 1885, but I can't find any birth record for Henry or Catherine in Somerset,
There is also an Alexander born Taunton, Dec Qu. 1889.
Phil
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I guess you may have looked at the CWGC site but it has not been mentioned so far. This gives 17103 331st Coy Royal Defence Corps, along with details of where he is buried.
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geejay1944
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Yes we have looked at that, and in fact he is buried in a churchyard about a mile from our home.
The information i am looking for is did he have any military service before 1914 as he was in his fifties when he died two years later.
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km1971
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You will have to wait to see if Ancestry publish his record when they get to the Ss. It shouldn't be long now. They last updated at the start of November last year. As I said it will give any previous experience on page one.
If not you will have to then wait for FMP to publish pre-WW1 papers - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/stories/212.htm
Ken
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