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Mike from Leicester
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" THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE. SOMEWHERE"

Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #15 on: Friday 16 October 09 02:11 UTC (UK) »

Greeting's Again.....Jeannie.

Grin

..Told you so..... Wink

Just had a whiz around. ........
Your Marriage in 1803.
St: Helen's Parish Church.
Ashby de la Zouch.

It Was by........ LICENCE

So there will be extra Information on this Marriage
held here at the Records Office

This side of the Big Pond .....

" Watch is Space next week ...."

MIKE.

3.00 AM GMT ( Summertime )


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Mike from Leicester
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Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #16 on: Friday 16 October 09 03:26 UTC (UK) »

Greeting’s Again…..Jeannie.

Burials worthy of note :~

St: Helen’s Parish Church.
Ashby de la Zouch.

1820.
Burial Register No’. 452.

Lucy Ann. Daughter of Thomas & Ann Grimes.
Abode. …Ashby de la Zouch.
30th. April.
Aged. 18 Months Old.

1822.

Parish Burial Register No’. 556.

Ann Grimes.
Abode. …Ashby de la Zouch.
17th. April.
Aged. 43.

1846.
Burial Register No’. 727.
Priscilla Grimes.
Abode. …Ashby de la Zouch.
11th. November.
Aged. 24.

1857.
Burial Register No’. 1590.
Thomas Grimes.
Abode. ….Ashby de la Zouch.
8th. September.
Aged. 84.

MIKE.


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jeannie1000cc
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Sarah McCarthy 1885-1920

Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #17 on: Friday 16 October 09 20:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi again Mike,

How very intriguing! I read somewhere licences were used in case of a minor or instead of banns because it was faster. Huh

I will happily wait for your update on the marriage, and I have to say this is better than Christmas - I might just start calling you Santa.

Thanks for all the additional burial info too! Grin

Jeannie


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BUDD, PAGE - Staffs; RICHARDSON, HUTT, MIDDLETON, NEAL, MATTHEWS - Warks; OLNER, GRIMES, GOODMAN - Leics

jeannie1000cc
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Sarah McCarthy 1885-1920

Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 23:10 UTC (UK) »

Hi Mike,

Ever since I saw your post of the 1851 transcript for William and Sarah Grimes, the reference to Hinckley as place of birth for most of the household has been nagging at me, as if I should recall something. Well it finally came to me! Grin

I would love to have your thoughts on how I should proceed with my research, based on the following:

William Grimes m. Sarah Richardson, 30 Jul 1836, Leicester St. Margaret's
Place of birth of Sarah (Richardson) Grimes, 1861/1871/1881 census: Atherstone
Age of Sarah 1851/1861/1871/1881: 38/48/58/68 Incredible consistancy! Grin

b. 1812/1813

Good match for Sarah: Mancetter (Atherstone) baptisms, date: Apr 28, 1812. Parents: Michael and Elizabeth.

Michael and Elizabeth' marriage was not to be found in Mancetter, neither were they married in Leicester (St. Margaret's), where I found many Richardsons, but not this pair.

Lately I found this 1841 census entry:
(Drum roll please.... Wink

)

1841 Census: Hinckley (Sparkenhoe) (Stockwell Head Huh

)

HO107/601/6/8/p.8

Michael RICHARDSON, 54
Elizabeth RICHARDSON, 59
Harriott RICHARDSON, 22
Charlotte RICHARDSON, 18
Charlotte RICHARDSON, 9 mo.
Richard KIRKHAM, 70
Hannah SWAINE, 43

I could not find any good matches for Michael Richardson after 1841. Maybe because there are no less than four Michael Richardsons in the BMD death index registered in Hinckley: 1842, 1848, 1851 and 1861. Tongue

However, I may have spotted Elizabeth living on her own in the 1861 for Hinckley:

RG9/2260/11/p.16

Elizabeth RICHARDSON, head, 80, b. Hinckley

Besides Sarah Richardson baptised Mancetter to Michael and Sarah, there were two others:
Anne, baptised Jun. 20, 1814; and Jane, baptised Jun. 1, 1816.

What do you think the odds are the marriage of Michael Richardson to Elizabeth as well as the baptisms of daughters Harriott and Charlotte might be found in the Hinckley Registers? Cheesy

Sorry for the long one.

Jeannie


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BUDD, PAGE - Staffs; RICHARDSON, HUTT, MIDDLETON, NEAL, MATTHEWS - Warks; OLNER, GRIMES, GOODMAN - Leics

Mike from Leicester
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Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 23:50 UTC (UK) »

Greeting’s Again Jeannie…..

I would say your on to a winner there. …… Grin

Because we get :~ ( Trumpet Fanfare... Grin

)

MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI :~ 1806.
St. Mary’s Parish Church.
Hinckley.

Michael Richardson. ~ Elizabeth HADDEN.
24th. December.
By Banns.

BAPTISM :~

1822.

Charlotte. Daughter of Michael & Elizabeth Richardson……Bapt.7th. Oct.

Seems they changed religion …..Then we get.

1822.
Wesleyan Methodist Chapel Hinckley.

Sharlot. Born 22nd Sept. Daughter of Michael & Elizabeth Richardson.
Bapt…..20th. October.

MIKE.


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jeannie1000cc
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Sarah McCarthy 1885-1920

Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 00:06 UTC (UK) »

Salutations again, Mike,

You are awesome! Shocked

Dare I say you have not only helped me with your fabulous finds but my "hunting instinct" as well. Wink

So you think I have I made the proper connection between the baptism in Mancetter and the Hinckley family, then?

Very odd the two baptisms in the same month, different churches, yes? Huh

Best regards,
Jeannie

Just added...does it appear that the two baptisms would be the same person? Huh


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Mike from Leicester
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Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 00:37 UTC (UK) »

Here is your 1851 census returns for Michael & Elizabeth.

INDEXED AS….. PICKERABSON.

HO107. 2082. / 310. / Page. 26.
Stockwell head
Hinckley.

Michael Richardson. Head Mar. 64..Hat Maker. b ..Hinckley
Elizabeth Wife. 69. b Ditto.

Also within the Household

Charles Pierson. 10. Scholar. b Leicestershire.
Mary Alben. 50. b Ashton Under Tyne. Lanc's
John Dixson. 37 b Preston. Lanc's
Thomas Dixson. 37. Hat Maker. b Ditto.
Peke Levett. 18. b Italy.
William Goode. 17. b Warwickshire.

Its very faint so have typed it out from my Index records via an other disk
But this disk has them as Richardson.

Re :~ Change of religion…………each their own believes at the time Wink

MIKE ….


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jeannie1000cc
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Sarah McCarthy 1885-1920

Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 00:56 UTC (UK) »

That must be them - who knew to look under that name? Huh

That would be Mike from Leicester, eh? Grin

The 1841 entry I found has Michael Richardson's occupation as Hatter, but you already knew that, yes? Wink

So you have eliminated half of the BMD death entries I found.

Best regards,
Jeannie


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Mike from Leicester
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Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 01:05 UTC (UK) »

1863.

Civic Cemetery Hinckley.

Burial Reg. No'. 93.

Elizabeth Richardson.
Abode. ...Hinckley.
29th. November.
Aged....82.

Just wonder if Michael was buried back in his birth Parish ?

MIKE.


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jeannie1000cc
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Sarah McCarthy 1885-1920

Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 02:05 UTC (UK) »

Very possible, I will see what I can find and let you know the results. There is a Mancetter couple, Michael and Sarah, m. 1783, that I suspect may be his parents.

Kind regards,

Jeannie


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Mike from Leicester
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Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 02:06 UTC (UK) »

Just done a trawl of Death Indexes 1841 ~51.

Michael Richardson Events

1842.
Jul. ~ Aug. ~ Sept. Qrt.
Hinckley District.
Cert No’. XV. 41.

1848.
April ~ May ~ Jun. Qrt.
Hinckley District.
Cert No’. XV 43.

1851.
Jul ~ Aug. ~ Sept. Qrt.
Hinckley District.
Cert No’. XV. 50.

But Not able to match any to my Burials for Leicestershire Disks.

Sorry…..

MIKE. Time to blow out my candle me thinks Good Night./ Morning... Grin


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Sarah McCarthy 1885-1920

Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 22 October 09 00:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi Mike,

I think I get your meaning re: change in religion ... and the rest. It reminds me of something a very wise man once told me. Wink

Thanks very much once again; hope I didn't keep you up too late. Love the candle reference. Cheesy

Jeannie


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Mike from Leicester
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Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 22 October 09 22:42 UTC (UK) »

Greeting’s Again Jeannie…..

MARRIAGES :~

ANNO DOMINI :~ 1803.

St Helen’s Parish Church.
Ashby de la Zouch. Leicestershire.

Thomas Grimes. ~ Ann Goodman.
Both of this Parish.

Married in this Church by Licence
This Eighth Day of October.
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Three.

By me :~ J. Prior. Curate.

Both signed the register by their Marks…..X times two.

In the Presence of :~
George Denkin.
Joseph Hallam……Parish Clark.

EXTRA INFORMATION via the Licence Bonds :~

Approved & Granted …8th. October. 1803.

GRIMES THOMAS. Labourer. of Ashby de la Zouch.
Bachelor Aged.29.

GOODMAN. ANN. Spinster aged. 23. of Ashby de la Zouch.

Marriage to take place in Ashby de la Zouch. Parish Church.

Securer of the £200 Bond.:~
Tho’s Moore. Draper of Ashby de la Zouch.

HINCKLEY MARRIAGE :~ 1806.

St Mary’s Parish Church.
Hinckley.

Page. 189.

MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI 1806.

Michael Richardson. ~ Elizabeth HADDEN.
Both of this Parish.
Were Married in this Church by Banns.
This Twenty fourth Day of December.
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Six.
By Me :~ H. E. Holland. Curate.

Both signed the register by their Marks ….x times two.

In the Presence of :~

Nathan Smith.
James Hadden.

I’m STILL chasing Emma’s Baptism 1846. in Leicester
Next week I’ll find it hopefully.

MIKE.


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Sarah McCarthy 1885-1920

Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #28 on: Friday 23 October 09 00:05 UTC (UK) »

Salutations Mike,

So wonderful to hear from you as always. Grin

Quite bemused to hear you still search for my Emma ... Wink

... but for some reason I suspected you were not likely to leave that issue unaddressed.

Many thanks for all the info & time so kindly volunteered. My longtime goal of crossing the pond for the first time seems to grow in importance with every new message and revelation! Grin

Best regards,
Jeannie


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Sarah McCarthy 1885-1920

Re: Orton on the Hill marriages c.1800: Olner, Wm.
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 28 October 09 00:58 UTC (UK) »

Quote from: Mike from Leicester on Friday 16 October 09 03:26 UTC (UK)

Greeting’s Again…..Jeannie.

Burials worthy of note :~

St: Helen’s Parish Church.
Ashby de la Zouch.

1822.

Parish Burial Register No’. 556.

Ann Grimes.
Abode. …Ashby de la Zouch.
17th. April.
Aged. 43.

1846.
Burial Register No’. 727.
Priscilla Grimes.
Abode. …Ashby de la Zouch.
11th. November.
Aged. 24.

1857.
Burial Register No’. 1590.
Thomas Grimes.
Abode. ….Ashby de la Zouch.
8th. September.
Aged. 84.

Hi Mike,

After looking at these dates and 1841-1851 census of Hinckley, I am wondering if you can help connect this Priscilla to my Thomas:

HO107/594/3/27/p.12 - 1841 census, Hinckley:

Thomas GRYMES, 68, b. Leicestershire
Sarah GRYMES, 50, b. Leicestersire
Priscilla GRYMES, 15, b. Leicestershire

HO107/2084/535/p.37 - 1851 census, Hinckley:

Thomas GRYMES, 76, b. Ashby-de-la-Zouch
Sarah GRYMES, wife, 63, b. Ashby-de-la-Zouch
Hastings GRYMES, grandson, 7, b. Ashby-de-la-Zouch

Going by the death dates of Ann (Goodman) Grimes and Priscilla Grimes, it would seem Priscilla may be the daughter of Thomas' second marriage to Sarah, c.1822-1823. Undecided

Any thoughts on this? Cheesy

Jeannie


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