PollyAllan
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Hallo
This is my first posting and I am looking for information on my father and his family - Lionel Henry Wells Born 2/1/1906 Oxford son of David and Elizabeth
Siblings I know of include Frank, Gerald and Ruby and I believe that there were at least two more brothers.
Dad was a Barwell Boy who came out to South Australia.
Both my parents passed away a few years ago and although I know names of Siblings I know nothing else.
The only Lionel Henry Wells I've been able to find was born in June Qtr 1910, Richmond so I'm not sure where to go from here.
Thankyou
Polly
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lizdb
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Have you actually got a birth cert? Or is the name, date of birth and parents names from family memory.
Like you I can find no birth registration matching those detials.
HAve you found the family in 1911? I think that would be the next step.
Do you know if the siblings were older or younger?
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Galium
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Lionel Henry Wells born in Richmond had a twin, Leslie Allan Wells. If you use the free search for the 1911 census,
http://fmpbsol.1911census.co.uk/
you can see that they are in the same household in Richmond, with Henry Wells aged 27, and Lilian wells aged 25.
So you can probably discount this one.
A free search of emigration records on
http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp
does not show any likely Lionel Henry Wells going to Australia. However there is a Lionel Horner Wells leaving London for Adelaide in 1923. His estimated year of birth is 1907.
The only other passengers with the surname Wells making the same journey in 1923 are two boys named Frederick and Richard. Without paying to see details it isn't possible to say whether they are on the same ship or not. at any rate, Lionel aged around 16 is not accompanied by anyone who might be a parent.
The GRO birth index does not show any Lionel Horner Wells born 1905-1908. however, there is a Lionel Charles Horner birth registered March quarter 1907 in Headington district - which is not far from Oxford.
In 1911, a four year old Lionel Horner is recorded in Abingdon (also near Oxford). There is no one else with either the surname Horner or Wells in the household.
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PollyAllan
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Thankyou. We seem to have the correct person with Lionel Horner and I've just applied for his birth certificate.
The information I had came from his original passport when he came out in 1923.
I have looked at the papers here in Adelaide at State Records and they had Lionel Wells but there was the name Horner on there as well which meant nothing to me.
They were signed by his Mother - EA Wells.
Will also have a look at the 1911 Census because on the State Records papers there is a reference to Abingdon so we do have the right person.
Now to try and find siblings and what is actually on that Birth Certificate and see if that gives me any more clues. I don't know if his siblings were older or younger, just recall those names and now there is no one else for me to ask.
Polly
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lizdb
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the birth cert will give his parents names, including mums maiden name - which hopefully might help pinpoint a marriage. Hopefully you will be able to find the family in 1911 census - the address on birth cert may help there. If marriage is pre 1901, then we may be able to find them on that census easily as a couple.
If you need help when the birth cert arrives then post the details it gives on here, and we will see what we can do!
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Galium
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Hi, if you've already had a look at the 1911 census you will know that Lionel Horner is with the family of David and Elizabeth WELL (as the transcript shows the surname - I don't know why I didn't think of using the wildcard search before  ). There is also a boy named Frank Smith with them.
David Jonas Wells married Elizabeth Ann Smewing in Wallingford district in 1880, and they appear in 1881, 1891 and 1901 with a growing family . David was a gamekeeper. (If you don't have access to the censuses and would like the details please ask). The only name of a Wells child you have mentioned is Gerald (spelled Jerrold in 1901).
There are three people who have this family in public trees on Ancestry - although they do not mention Frank or Lionel - or a Ruby. It looks rather as though David and Elizabeth adopted these children, but that doesn't rule out there being a family connection.
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PollyAllan
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Hi
Yes I've now discovered that my Dad was a foster son of the Wells family - completely new information to me. I'll check the Ancestry Connection too, thankyou.
I guess I'll wait and see what the Birth certificate says and then let you all know and see where we can go from here.
Not something I even thought I'd discover so I'm still trying to assimilate the information.
Regards
Polly
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PollyAllan
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Hi
Well the Birth Certificate arrived today - Lionel Charles Horner born 2nd January 1907 16 Plantation Road, Saint Giles Oxford to Harriet Horner Domestic Servant (housemaid) of 16 Plantation Road, Saint Giles. No father listed.
I've tried looking for Harriet on the Census but can't find one that looks to be correct. Does anyone have any further ideas?
Polly
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lizdb
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A possible -
1901
Rg13 1381 133 27
Marcons Hall, Parks Rd, st Giles Oxford
H/H of Chalres Marcon and his family
Harriet Honour 20 housemaid bn Murcot Oxon
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PollyAllan
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Thankyou, missed that one.
Polly
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PollyAllan
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A Harriet Honour did marry a Charles Allnutt in December 1907, all St Giles, Oxford and as Dad's middle name was originally Charles well..... I guess it is now something that I will never know for sure.
Polly
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PollyAllan
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I have discovered that Gerald Wells was married to Doris and lived in Drayton, Oxfordshire. Gerald died in late 1971. Would like to try to find when and where he is buried.
Thankyou Polly
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PollyAllan
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Also there was another brother Frank (also a foster child) who was originally Smith but who I believe changed his name to Wells also. He was married to Lilian. They were alive in 1972 but would both certainly have passed on now, having been born c. 1901.
Thankyou
Polly
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Galium
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FreeBMD shows a Frank Wells marrying Lilian E Benwell in Abingdon district in 1926. You will be able to see that a Wells child with mother's maiden name Benwell was born in Abingdon district. Ancestry will show you that there is a probable marriage for this child, also in Abingdon district. (I'm assuming that you subscribe to Ancestry, but if I am wrong I can PM the details to you, if you wish).
I can't see an England and Wales death registration for Gerald Wells in 1971 or 1972? It looks like he married Doris M Morgan in 1919 (Banbury district).
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